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High school track team disqualified for making religious gesture
KRIV TV ^ | 5/2/2013 | Damali Keith

Posted on 05/03/2013 2:14:35 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: P-Marlowe; BigCinBigD
"Did you get your law degree as a prize in a box of Cracker Jacks?"

Most likely not but if you were to ping his IP address, it would be likely he is just waking up in a Holiday Inn Express.

41 posted on 05/03/2013 3:51:37 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: BigCinBigD

Rules are rules.
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Quite right BigCinBigD, you and your family are hereby directed to report for transportation at 8:00am tomorrow. You may bring one suitcase for your family. Do not be late or absent.

Rules are rules.


42 posted on 05/03/2013 3:52:28 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: xzins

The question is whether the gesture can “reasonably” be interpreted as a religious expression. It is very common in professional sports for athletes to point upward after a victory as an expression of thanks to God. I see it all the time and it has become routine with pitchers when they get the final out in a game.

There is no doubt that pointing to the sky has become a religious expression in sports. The rule prohibits “celebratory gestures” and is intended to limit those kinds of expressions which draw undue attention to the athlete. The rule, however, cannot prohibit any gesture intended to give honor to God.

As with all rules, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. The rule is unconstitutionally overbroad. They should have included language that exempts religious expression or indicated that it applied to gestures intended to taunt the other athletes or to draw undue attention to the person making the gesture. Apparently neither of those conditions were present here.

I’m hoping Jay Sekulow meets with this kid.


43 posted on 05/03/2013 3:54:49 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: markomalley
Touchdown Celebration Costs High School Team A Super Bowl Title

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44 posted on 05/03/2013 4:02:32 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: prisoner6

If they had a rule against “celebratory gestures” and that rule was known and accepted by all, then I’d live by the rule. BUT, if the student was not taunting the other team and the judge was just showing hostility to religion, then I’d say, fine, you want make rulings on technicalities? This was not a “celebratory gesture,” it was a gesture of thankfulness. In fact, I would take it as the exact OPPOSITE of a celebratory gesture. For a Christian, this is saying “It’s not my greatness. I’m giving credit to God.”


45 posted on 05/03/2013 4:04:38 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: BigCinBigD

“But, after all, I did break one of your laws.”

“Well, what do you think they’re for?”

Dr. Ferris did not notice the sudden look on Rearden’s face, the look of a man hit by the first vision of that which he had sought to see. Dr. Ferris was past the stage of seeing; he was intent upon delivering the last blows to an animal caught in a trap.

“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against - then you’ll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”


46 posted on 05/03/2013 4:08:24 AM PDT by EBH (Warning this person is a Catholic, Tea Party Patriot, and owns a copy of Atlas Shurgged)
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To: markomalley
If you win, you must act like you lost, Or lose by default.

Imagine employing the idiots who buy into this PC crap.

47 posted on 05/03/2013 4:13:46 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: markomalley

University Scholastic League

The Judge is from a University. We all know what Universities are filled with.

Leftists and Communists.

It should be deemed Treasonous to even think of sending American kids to some of these places of Brain washing.


48 posted on 05/03/2013 4:13:54 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley; All

C’mon Texas...we look to you for common sense.

I expect this left wing stupidity from CAL. Not TX

I thought the in state illegal alien college tuition and forced STD vaccinations of little girls were just aberrations....


49 posted on 05/03/2013 4:21:36 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: markomalley
The rule states no celebratory gestures

It's hard to have the 'everyone is a winner and gets a trophy' philosophy in this kind of competition. So I guess the ideas is 'Ok, if there has to be a winner, he's not allowed to enjoy it', lest the losers, excuse me, non-winners might have self esteem issues.

50 posted on 05/03/2013 4:23:25 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: xzins
However, it is a rule no matter how dumb, and the "one finger = God" thing has escaped me in my 33 years of ordained ministry.

I can only imagine that you don't watch sports on TV very much. I see that gesture all the time: the athletes eyes are turned up to the heavens. You'd think there would be a video of this. If he's looking at his opponents, then it's taunting.

51 posted on 05/03/2013 4:33:18 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: mazda77

Some of you are strange.


52 posted on 05/03/2013 4:42:07 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: markomalley

Fascism at it best.


53 posted on 05/03/2013 4:42:58 AM PDT by stockpirate (Planned Parenthood, murdering black children one baby at a time.......where is the outrage)
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To: markomalley

Ok- so tell the kids all to make the sign of the cross over their heart , instead of raising their finger.

Problem solved.


54 posted on 05/03/2013 4:44:19 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: markomalley

Which finger was lifted to the sky?


55 posted on 05/03/2013 4:48:46 AM PDT by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: markomalley

Had I been the coach, after a lengthy and loud protest I would have had my entire track team and called for our fans in the crowd to come down an occupy the track until that decision was overturned.


56 posted on 05/03/2013 4:50:09 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: xzins

One good thing from this, Texas just got (at least) four more staunch anti-progressives.


57 posted on 05/03/2013 5:06:54 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: tomkat

TX has a lot of underground communists just waiting to come forward when the existing order starts to collapse.


58 posted on 05/03/2013 5:10:33 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: stormhill
Is it possible the public really condones this?

They must condone it or maybe don't even know about it, being so uninformed.

59 posted on 05/03/2013 5:12:56 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: prisoner6

We conservatives need to get over the emotional knee-jerk reaction (including to intentionally inflammatory headlines) or else we will start to (or continue to) look like the cry-baby liberals we so fondly like to mock. Most of this thread is a case in point.

Yes, the rule is stupid. Yes, the application of the rule was stupid. But it wasn’t created to target and attach Christianity. Instead it was the result of this overbearing, nanny-state, everyone-gets-a-trophy world that we live in today.


60 posted on 05/03/2013 5:22:54 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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