I was hoping for scripture quotes from you, not philosophy from your denomination or sect leader. To me repeating someone else in reasoning of scriptures is not only second person, but second hand and is therefor an empty philosophy. I would much rather know what you think and why. That is a discussion. Other than that usually is just empty contention.
Better a crust of bread on the corner of the roof...
Did I give any???
I would much rather know what you think and why.
Sorry; but what I think and why would merely give reason for unending 'debate'.