Posted on 04/21/2013 4:40:36 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
I have a general policy that when something*****es me off enough to want to throw things at my TV I go have a drink and refuse to write on it until having slept first.
Sometimes I wake up with a different perspective.
And sometimes not.
This is one of the "nots."
Last night, unless you live in a cave, you know that the second bombing suspect was captured alive. The first one died from a combination of bullets and being run over by his brother in a carjacked vehicle trying to escape.
Yeah, that really nice kid who we now have in custody ran over his brother.
But let's take a look at the facts, shall we?
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.
It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.
The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.
Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.
Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.
In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.
So what do the cops do? They shoot at and destroy the boat, of course, in "convincing" the bad guy to come out. Boats you see, must not have extra holes in them or they don't float very well. The cops added many extra holes and a few flash-bangs to the mix too, despite knowing that the vessel had a full tank of fuel on board and might catch on fire or explode. It didn't, fortunately, but that's small consolation to the owner who is almost-certain to see both the city refuse to pay for the damage and his insurance company refuse to cover it too (look in your policy; in general such "acts of war, declare or undeclared" are considered non-covered perils.) Never mind that the guy actually doing the warlike things (the terrorist) didn't cause the damage -- the cops did.
Was there anything the cops did right? Well, yeah, I suppose. Their fancy FLIR gear on the chopper, once pointed out where to look by the homeowner, did detect the heat of the jackass in the boat. Ok. Wow man, technology. I'm supposed to be impressed by this after the specific location of the bad guy was pointed out by the homeowner who saw him in the boat and called the police?
FAIL.
Massive, outrageous, millions of dollars in overtime and worthless hardware FAIL, to go along with a citizenry that cowered in abject fear of a couple of jackasses.
Not only did the terrorists win they learned that we're cowards. We will hide in the closet shaking like a leaf in a hurricane and let them get away for hours or even days instead of going about our business, observing what's different, reporting what doesn't make sense and arming ourselves so we can defend ourselves if, in the gravest extreme, they decide to do so something outrageous.
Massachusetts has some of the "toughest" gun laws in the nation. They are an abject failure as well. In 1998 they were passed and signed by a Republican. The state went from 1.5 million active gun licenses to under 200,000. Not only did murders double from 1998 to 2011 and robberies increase by more than 20% but the state was just targeted by two murderous jackasses who blew up a number of innocent people. The national murder and violent crime rate, on the other hand, has been falling since the early 1990s. Gee, you don't think the lack of people's ability to defend themselves might have had something to do with all that, do you? Don't expect the media to call Massachusetts or its former governors on this fact and its contribution to the blown-off legs of the victims at the Marathon. Oh, and while we're at it, let's not forget that the number of people these jackasses murdered (about a half-dozen, all-in) are eclipsed by the roughly 10x as many residents murdered annually since Massachusetts further trampled on the 2nd Amendment's recognition of fundamental human rights. Exactly how many excuses would the government of Massachusetts like to try to make for all those dead people that directly resulted from their incessant and outrageous trampling of those Constitutionally-guaranteed rights? Let me guess -- we're going to hear crickets on that account.
I'm glad the remaining bastard suspect (remember, he's a suspect until proven guilty in a court of law) has been caught and will face trial. I'm of mixed view whether or not he should be considered an ordinary criminal or an enemy combatant. We don't know enough to make that call here and now in the general public. What we do know is that the FBI knew damn well that the older brother was a problem and had been watching him and worse, they lied about it when asked by the media, denying they had contact with him until the family went public with the facts.
We have learned many things over the last week, and none of them are good. We have learned that an entire major city is full of pussies who will hide in the closet rather than sling a rifle or holster a pistol and go about their business, refusing to be cowed by a couple of murderous jackasses. We have learned that the FBI will and does lie to the public and only stops lying when called on it in the media. Just as before 9/11 when the FBI knew damn well that the towelheads were buying simulator time with thousands of dollars in cash and not wanting to know how to land and did nothing with the information to interdict the jackasses who would use that knowledge to murder 3,000 people this time around they knew there was a problem as well and tried to lie about it. This in turn means that if they come talk to you you must assume they're going to lie as well -- and maybe lie about what you tell them. This makes it downright stupid for you to help law enforcement in any way, and that makes us all far less safe if for no other reason than repeatedly-demonstrated and very-official gross negligence. Never mind that the younger brother appears to have a nice online history too which was also ignored and he was actually out partying in the local area after the bombing. We have learned that the older of these two clowns had a domestic violence history which made him eligible to be deported and we did nothing to revoke his green card, thereby effectively giving him license to commit his murders. We naturalized the younger brother despite knowing the above. We have government agents sticking their hands down the crotch of 80 year old dying Grandmas with leukemia in airports, fondling her adult diaper instead of interdicting jackasses like this. We have learned that two young men willing to die for their alleged belief that 27 virgins await them in paradise (who I suspect are both male and literal gorillas, if they exist at all) can shut down all economic activity among a city of millions and strand thousands more, which means that fewer than a hundred said jackasses could literally destroy our economy. If you think I'm divulging some "state secret" by mentioning this you're not very bright either; we televised this fact all day, on every channel, throughout Friday. We learned that thousands of cops, despite being all geared-up and full of cum, can't find one jackass that the people can and do locate in a half hour with no special training and no fancy hardware. We also learned that in a real assault the so-called "good guys" will wear digital camo in an urban environment that sticks out like a sore thumb against everything in the area. FAIL!
And finally we learned that The Constitution is used toilet paper and a fetid relic of our former (and now-shelved in favor of American Idol) imagination, and that the founders who fought just miles from where this took place are looking down on us in shame from heaven -- we no longer merit the nation they left us.
Wake up America -- if our nation can be said to still exist.
>>it’s unlikely that a lot of minds in a democrat stronghold like this will ever get changed.<<
You got that right!
Just a peripheral detail, but the police and FBI knew, based on the boat owner's report, that the boat had 20 gallons of diesel fuel in the 40 gallon tank - VERY different from gasoline in terms of flammability and explosive risk.
“We have learned many things over the last week, and none of them are good.
We have learned that an entire major city is full of pussies who will hide in the closet rather than sling a rifle or holster a pistol and go about their business, refusing to be cowed by a couple of murderous jackasses.
We have learned that the FBI will and does lie to the public and only stops lying when called on it in the media.
Just as before 9/11 when the FBI knew damn well that the towelheads were buying simulator time with thousands of dollars in cash and not wanting to know how to land and did nothing with the information to interdict the jackasses who would use that knowledge to murder 3,000 people this time around they knew there was a problem as well and tried to lie about it.
This in turn means that if they come talk to you you must assume they're going to lie as well — and maybe lie about what you tell them. This makes it downright stupid for you to help law enforcement in any way, and that makes us all far less safe if for no other reason than repeatedly-demonstrated and very-official gross negligence.
Never mind that the younger brother appears to have a nice online history too which was also ignored and he was actually out partying in the local area after the bombing.
We have learned that the older of these two clowns had a domestic violence history which made him eligible to be deported and we did nothing to revoke his green card, thereby effectively giving him license to commit his murders.
We naturalized the younger brother despite knowing the above. We have government agents sticking their hands down the crotch of 80 year old dying Grandmas with leukemia in airports, fondling her adult diaper instead of interdicting jackasses like this.
We have learned that two young men willing to die for their alleged belief that 27 virgins await them in paradise (who I suspect are both male and literal gorillas, if they exist at all) can shut down all economic activity among a city of millions and strand thousands more, which means that fewer than a hundred said jackasses could literally destroy our economy. If you think I'm divulging some “state secret” by mentioning this you're not very bright either; we televised this fact all day, on every channel, throughout Friday.
We learned that thousands of cops, despite being all geared-up and full of cum, can't find one jackass that the people can and do locate in a half hour with no special training and no fancy hardware. We also learned that in a real assault the so-called “good guys” will wear digital camo in an urban environment that sticks out like a sore thumb against everything in the area. FAIL!
And finally we learned that The Constitution is used toilet paper and a fetid relic of our former (and now-shelved in favor of American Idol) imagination, and that the founders who fought just miles from where this took place are looking down on us in shame from heaven —
we no longer merit the nation they left us.
Wake up America — if our nation can be said to still exist.”
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I see some "holes" in your plan.
1. If you saw the door to your boat ajar, and climb up to look inside you would be silhouetted against the doorway, making you a much better target than the perp inside.
2. The perp could have explosives and blow you both up.
3. If you killed him, it would be very difficult to interrogate hun about others who may have been involved.
4. In view of #3 you might very well be prosecuted since your life was not in immediate danger, and you could have simply notified the zillions of cops in the area.
Perhaps they had to call to see where Zimmerman was.
We have learned many things over the last week, and none of them are good.
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We have learned that the FBI will and does lie to the public and only stops lying when called on it in the media. Just as before 9/11 when the FBI knew damn well that the towelheads were buying simulator time with thousands of dollars in cash and not wanting to know how to land and did nothing with the information to interdict the jackasses who would use that knowledge to murder 3,000 people this time around they knew there was a problem as well and tried to lie about it.
This in turn means that if they come talk to you, you must assume they're going to lie as well -- and maybe lie about what you tell them. This makes it downright stupid for you to help law enforcement in any way, and that makes us all far less safe if for no other reason than repeatedly-demonstrated and very-official gross negligence.
Check out article.
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Just to be clear, the only applicable exigent circumstance in this case is hot pursuit. In this case the police lost the suspect, so hot pursuit is not applicable.
And not going house to house would be a gift to a fugitive on the loose. He merely has to enter a house and tie up the occupants until the police leave.
Too bad. Are you ok with this: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/06/police-stop-handcuff-every-adult-at-intersection-in-search-for-bank-robber/?
When the only evidence of a public emergency is a fugitive on the loose, the police are not granted extra rights (most court decisions) unless the police have reason to believe the suspect is hiding in other specific properties. That reason can be as little a "gut feel" in some cases, but it only applies to specific properties and not to preventing a suspect from hiding in general.
Excellent.
Well and truly stated, Sir.
Well done once again!
Thank you all for your kind thoughts. My original question is what could have been done differently. The problems people articulated were Constitutional, not tactical. Having the police not go house to house, and not asking them to “shelter in place” takes precedence over public safety, officer safety, and even finding the suspect who caused the problems in the first place. I understand the concerns, and I will now move on. Joker is in custody.
This is the first I have read of this. To the best of my memory, the account was that the police had searched the yard where the boat was stored and had moved on. Do you have information on how far Joker was to the nearest perimeter officer?
Of course in the end justify the means.
Tough call for the officers in the bank robbery scenario, but they made the right decision. Was there a civil suit, and if there was, what was the outcome?
So in your opinion as soon as the cops determine they don’t have a better option they can ignore the Constitutional issues.
In other words, their tactical concerns trump Constitutional concerns.
man this slope is slippery
And it is possible that had the police done something differently, that this would not yet be at an end. Joker might now be “safe” somewhere, and might be planning another mass murder.
The posters made it very CLEAR that the tactical decisions should not have been made, logically meaning that the Constitutional rights of the people are more important than public safety, officer safety, or even catching the suspect.
Personally, I'm glad that no one else got injured or killed and that Joker got caught. That is something of little importance to others it appears.
I am thinking on this to come up with a plan of action. What happened to normal people in Boston answers the question would our police/military abuse good people if ordered to do so. They did it and “too bad you are good people, we're still gonna do it. It's for your own good. Put your hands on your head and clear the house.”
Some are saying the cop types took guns out of houses. I would surely like to know if this is true. If it is, I think I need a secure place, a hiding place in plain sight for some weapons/ammo.
When a number of armed uniforms are at your door with fully automatic rifles pointed at you, you're going to leave the house and let them have it. In Boston, they let you go back in the house, but once you're out, they can do whatever they want with you. Like, “get in the back of the truck - there's a train to take you to the country where you will be safe.”
Cell towers had been turned off there. The govn. now can turn your TV and radio off. You wouldn't even know why someone was knocking on your door until they were there with their weapons.
Never in my long life did I think this country would come to this. Somewhere I have a book about hiding places - hmm, where is that book? I need to think.
“Personally, I’m glad that no one else got injured or killed and that Joker got caught. That is something of little importance to others it appears. “
Ironic that the FBI knew this guy was dangerous and yet they ignored him.
They know his mosque is dangerous and continue to ignore it.
Irony is a poor substitute for freedom.
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