Posted on 04/21/2013 4:40:36 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
>>it’s unlikely that a lot of minds in a democrat stronghold like this will ever get changed.<<
You got that right!
Just a peripheral detail, but the police and FBI knew, based on the boat owner's report, that the boat had 20 gallons of diesel fuel in the 40 gallon tank - VERY different from gasoline in terms of flammability and explosive risk.
“We have learned many things over the last week, and none of them are good.
We have learned that an entire major city is full of pussies who will hide in the closet rather than sling a rifle or holster a pistol and go about their business, refusing to be cowed by a couple of murderous jackasses.
We have learned that the FBI will and does lie to the public and only stops lying when called on it in the media.
Just as before 9/11 when the FBI knew damn well that the towelheads were buying simulator time with thousands of dollars in cash and not wanting to know how to land and did nothing with the information to interdict the jackasses who would use that knowledge to murder 3,000 people this time around they knew there was a problem as well and tried to lie about it.
This in turn means that if they come talk to you you must assume they're going to lie as well — and maybe lie about what you tell them. This makes it downright stupid for you to help law enforcement in any way, and that makes us all far less safe if for no other reason than repeatedly-demonstrated and very-official gross negligence.
Never mind that the younger brother appears to have a nice online history too which was also ignored and he was actually out partying in the local area after the bombing.
We have learned that the older of these two clowns had a domestic violence history which made him eligible to be deported and we did nothing to revoke his green card, thereby effectively giving him license to commit his murders.
We naturalized the younger brother despite knowing the above. We have government agents sticking their hands down the crotch of 80 year old dying Grandmas with leukemia in airports, fondling her adult diaper instead of interdicting jackasses like this.
We have learned that two young men willing to die for their alleged belief that 27 virgins await them in paradise (who I suspect are both male and literal gorillas, if they exist at all) can shut down all economic activity among a city of millions and strand thousands more, which means that fewer than a hundred said jackasses could literally destroy our economy. If you think I'm divulging some “state secret” by mentioning this you're not very bright either; we televised this fact all day, on every channel, throughout Friday.
We learned that thousands of cops, despite being all geared-up and full of cum, can't find one jackass that the people can and do locate in a half hour with no special training and no fancy hardware. We also learned that in a real assault the so-called “good guys” will wear digital camo in an urban environment that sticks out like a sore thumb against everything in the area. FAIL!
And finally we learned that The Constitution is used toilet paper and a fetid relic of our former (and now-shelved in favor of American Idol) imagination, and that the founders who fought just miles from where this took place are looking down on us in shame from heaven —
we no longer merit the nation they left us.
Wake up America — if our nation can be said to still exist.”
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I see some "holes" in your plan.
1. If you saw the door to your boat ajar, and climb up to look inside you would be silhouetted against the doorway, making you a much better target than the perp inside.
2. The perp could have explosives and blow you both up.
3. If you killed him, it would be very difficult to interrogate hun about others who may have been involved.
4. In view of #3 you might very well be prosecuted since your life was not in immediate danger, and you could have simply notified the zillions of cops in the area.
Perhaps they had to call to see where Zimmerman was.
We have learned many things over the last week, and none of them are good.
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We have learned that the FBI will and does lie to the public and only stops lying when called on it in the media. Just as before 9/11 when the FBI knew damn well that the towelheads were buying simulator time with thousands of dollars in cash and not wanting to know how to land and did nothing with the information to interdict the jackasses who would use that knowledge to murder 3,000 people this time around they knew there was a problem as well and tried to lie about it.
This in turn means that if they come talk to you, you must assume they're going to lie as well -- and maybe lie about what you tell them. This makes it downright stupid for you to help law enforcement in any way, and that makes us all far less safe if for no other reason than repeatedly-demonstrated and very-official gross negligence.
Check out article.
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Just to be clear, the only applicable exigent circumstance in this case is hot pursuit. In this case the police lost the suspect, so hot pursuit is not applicable.
And not going house to house would be a gift to a fugitive on the loose. He merely has to enter a house and tie up the occupants until the police leave.
Too bad. Are you ok with this: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/06/police-stop-handcuff-every-adult-at-intersection-in-search-for-bank-robber/?
When the only evidence of a public emergency is a fugitive on the loose, the police are not granted extra rights (most court decisions) unless the police have reason to believe the suspect is hiding in other specific properties. That reason can be as little a "gut feel" in some cases, but it only applies to specific properties and not to preventing a suspect from hiding in general.
Excellent.
Well and truly stated, Sir.
Well done once again!
Thank you all for your kind thoughts. My original question is what could have been done differently. The problems people articulated were Constitutional, not tactical. Having the police not go house to house, and not asking them to “shelter in place” takes precedence over public safety, officer safety, and even finding the suspect who caused the problems in the first place. I understand the concerns, and I will now move on. Joker is in custody.
This is the first I have read of this. To the best of my memory, the account was that the police had searched the yard where the boat was stored and had moved on. Do you have information on how far Joker was to the nearest perimeter officer?
Of course in the end justify the means.
Tough call for the officers in the bank robbery scenario, but they made the right decision. Was there a civil suit, and if there was, what was the outcome?
So in your opinion as soon as the cops determine they don’t have a better option they can ignore the Constitutional issues.
In other words, their tactical concerns trump Constitutional concerns.
man this slope is slippery
And it is possible that had the police done something differently, that this would not yet be at an end. Joker might now be “safe” somewhere, and might be planning another mass murder.
The posters made it very CLEAR that the tactical decisions should not have been made, logically meaning that the Constitutional rights of the people are more important than public safety, officer safety, or even catching the suspect.
Personally, I'm glad that no one else got injured or killed and that Joker got caught. That is something of little importance to others it appears.
I am thinking on this to come up with a plan of action. What happened to normal people in Boston answers the question would our police/military abuse good people if ordered to do so. They did it and “too bad you are good people, we're still gonna do it. It's for your own good. Put your hands on your head and clear the house.”
Some are saying the cop types took guns out of houses. I would surely like to know if this is true. If it is, I think I need a secure place, a hiding place in plain sight for some weapons/ammo.
When a number of armed uniforms are at your door with fully automatic rifles pointed at you, you're going to leave the house and let them have it. In Boston, they let you go back in the house, but once you're out, they can do whatever they want with you. Like, “get in the back of the truck - there's a train to take you to the country where you will be safe.”
Cell towers had been turned off there. The govn. now can turn your TV and radio off. You wouldn't even know why someone was knocking on your door until they were there with their weapons.
Never in my long life did I think this country would come to this. Somewhere I have a book about hiding places - hmm, where is that book? I need to think.
“Personally, I’m glad that no one else got injured or killed and that Joker got caught. That is something of little importance to others it appears. “
Ironic that the FBI knew this guy was dangerous and yet they ignored him.
They know his mosque is dangerous and continue to ignore it.
Irony is a poor substitute for freedom.
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