Expanded gun background check [Toomey] amendment fails in the Senate

Yahoo ^ | 04/17/13

[AtlasStalled]

Yahoo headline breaking news: Expanded gun background check amendment fails in the Senate

[The KG9 Kid]

As corlorde wrote, ‘technically yes’, but be aware that out behind the US Capitol building there’s an enormous junkyard full of rusty old Senate bills that died on the floor.

[AngelesCrestHighway]

Bury the damn liberal traitors!!!

[Cboldt]

Text of the amendments is separate. I find 113th Congress by day to be a convenient starting place. Some of the amendments were filed yesterday, others were filed Friday.

[AngelesCrestHighway]

What's the matter Chrissy?...Got to much bleach in your tidy whities? LMAO!

[Conservative_Rob]

Diane Fienstein’s AWB amendment is being voted on right now!

[Cboldt]

Each cloture vote only covers one item. The reason all these amendments are being held to 60 votes for passage is to avoid going through cloture for each amendment. That same “option,” either 60 votes straight up, or go through cloture, attaches to final passage of EACH amendment, and final passage of whatever bill remains after amendment.

[Gator113]

Hear, Hear......

God Save The Republic....

[tanknetter]

Still, what happens now?

In baseball terms, because Reid used that procedural trick of switching his vote to "no" the bill sits in the on-deck circle until an opportunity arises to bring it back to a floor vote.

That opportunity will come the next time there's a mass shooting. And there WILL be a next time.

Under such circumstances the bill can pretty much be brought back up for an immediate vote. There won't be ~4 months or so for public opinion to settle and to allow cooler heads to prevail. It'll be rammed through quickly (if this vote were taken right after Newtown the three Dems would have stayed with their party and there would have been several GOP crossovers), then dumped on the House.

[Stentor]

There have to be pictures of Toomey and Menendez wearing striped boxer shorts and socks with garters in the same room with naked 12 year old Dominican girls. What else could explain such a massive betrayal of Pennsylvania gun owners.

[hattend]

Cool. What will be Zero’s workaround?

Awaken another sleeper cell. Shoot up a pre-school.

[TexasRedeye]

My question still remains. If NO amendments are agreed upon to change the original bill (which has already passed cloture) is only 51 votes then needed to pass an unamended bill?

[Gator113]

Thanks for the reminder.

Today day is a day that it is okay too slap me. Like many, I have been a nervous wreck over all of this.

[CodeToad]

It is not much to celebrate when the votes were as close as they were.

[hattend]

On to Chick-Fil-A to celebrate !

There's an idea...I wish I had one nearby.

[Joe 6-pack]

"It'll be rammed through quickly (if this vote were taken right after Newtown the three Dems would have stayed with their party and there would have been several GOP crossovers), then dumped on the House."

Interesting isn't it? The senate was designed as a cool, detached deliberative body with six year terms to prevent rash, momentary waves of public sentiment from being adopted as law, and to temper the house which was somewhat expected to be responsive to inflamed passions.

In practice, it has come to work in reverse. I blame the 17th Amendment (among other things).

[1010RD]

Correct and that legislative manuever needs to be widely broadcast throughout Nevada.

[Cboldt]

The answer to your question is no.

Each vote in the Senate can be subjected to cloture, and a vote on the bill, even if unamended, is a vote. Every vote. Vote on the amendment, cloture, Vote on the final bill, cloture.

[Colorado Doug]

Yes, I had heard that but thank you for telling me anyway. I'm so glad that you folks up in LaPlata County are on top of this. With four recalls in the works, I hope and pray that we take down at least a couple sleazy Senators for now and clean out the rest next election.

[Rusty0604]

Your’e right; election time he will trot out his voting record and people won’t know the difference.

[Cboldt]

-- the original bill (which has already passed cloture) --

Not exactly. What got past cloture was a motion to take the bill up for consideration. So, the bill is up for consideration, and being voted on. I don;t know of any suggestion to vote on final passage of the underlying bill, but when that suggestion comes up, it is an opportunity for objection, and another cloture vote.