The thin thread of Liberty has already unraveled and...
starving the beast is the only way back to liberty.
I'm having lively debates with people like: Sola Veritas about the benevolence of government.
Any government, how poor it may be, is better than no government.The meme states that according to scriptures, government was foisted onto man by God. Too bad the statists missed the many biblical references that shows it's the other way around - men beseeched God to be placed under the yoke of man's powers.
This ideology seems to be rampant within the so called Christian community (many debates just from my In Forum Posts). It's clearly central to the doctrine of leftist-statists.
This war by statists over the Natural Laws of liberty that God granted to all men will end soon. It is ready to collapse under its own weight of excess and corruption. The proud shall be humbled. Not my words....
We must remember that the Old Testament nation of Israel under the new Covenant is analagous to the invisible Church, i.e., the elect, for the purposes of interpreting what is Biblically mandated concerning generalized or institutional patterns.
The case you speak of, when the ancient Israelites asked God for an earthly King so they could be like other nations, would be analagous to a Church of today assuming the role of a civil government, something clearly not what God’s Word would have us do, even though it clearly calls on nations to bow the knee to Christ, i.e., to be covenant Christian nations.
The Bible clearly recognizes the role of civil government, but there is a clear delineation between the complimentary roles of civil government and Church.
There certainly is no guarantee in the Bible that those persons heading a particular civil government will necessarily effect a “good” governance of the people by Biblical standards; indeed there are examples in the Bible of both good and bad civil government leaders. In fact, in the absence of national covenanting, anything resembling “good” government would most certainly be atypical and relatively temporary, given the fallen nature of man.
Scripture does, of course, clearly exhort all government leaders, like everyone else, to execute their duties and live their lives according to Scripture.
The roles of the Church, civil government and the family are all Biblically sanctioned, different and yet complimentary.
Since the rise of the most recent “power behind the throne” a few hundred years ago (”new world order”, i.e., international banking), we’ve seen much of what was “good” about American governance gradually eroding. This is primarily a result of government being largely controlled behind the scenes by a relatively small group of people which constitute extremely powerful interests.
Only a short 200 years ago, most Americans thought their government was an improvement over that of the British Empire; yet unbeknownst to most, the seeds were already sown for what we see today. European international banking played with the American economy and government like a toy and greatly magnified their wealth as they financed the agricultural south (with their slave trade inevitably set to cause either war or a split into two more manageable nations), the industrial north and railroads connecting everything. They steadily worked (and their business heirs continue to work) towards their goal of keeping “the masses” underfoot through using lies, temptation of sin and debt, which keep “the masses” enslaved.
“I’m having lively debates with people like: Sola Veritas about the benevolence of government.”
I NEVER said that all government is “benevolent.” I said, as per scripture, that government is God ordained. To fight against the institution of government (as you libertines do) is to fight against God. You quote, in previous post, that Samual berated the people because they wanted a King. What you failed to understand was that Samual was God’s “jugde” over the people - they were NOT without a government before their first King. It was a True Theocracy in Israel where God ruled through Prophets/Judges and secural Kings were not required. Israel’s sin was that they wanted a secular king, when God had provided something better.
I AM NOT against trying to limit and reform government. I am against the libertine approach that all government must go. That is anarchy, that is not God approved.
Also, you ENTIRELY FAIL to explain the CLEAR declarations in scripture that GOD HAS ORDAINED government to suppress evil and encourage good.
Your arguement is with God, not me. I am NOT a statist, I am a Christian that believes the Bible and doesn’t toss parts I don’t like. I do not elevate anything above scripture.