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To: uncommonsense

“I’m having lively debates with people like: Sola Veritas about the benevolence of government.”

I NEVER said that all government is “benevolent.” I said, as per scripture, that government is God ordained. To fight against the institution of government (as you libertines do) is to fight against God. You quote, in previous post, that Samual berated the people because they wanted a King. What you failed to understand was that Samual was God’s “jugde” over the people - they were NOT without a government before their first King. It was a True Theocracy in Israel where God ruled through Prophets/Judges and secural Kings were not required. Israel’s sin was that they wanted a secular king, when God had provided something better.

I AM NOT against trying to limit and reform government. I am against the libertine approach that all government must go. That is anarchy, that is not God approved.

Also, you ENTIRELY FAIL to explain the CLEAR declarations in scripture that GOD HAS ORDAINED government to suppress evil and encourage good.

Your arguement is with God, not me. I am NOT a statist, I am a Christian that believes the Bible and doesn’t toss parts I don’t like. I do not elevate anything above scripture.


53 posted on 04/17/2013 5:44:39 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
You need to stop inserting the word "all". Making shrill comments doesn't improve your argument. Also, I've add emphasis so that you can recognize and maybe comment on the salient points versus creating a sea of red herrings out of whole cloth.

You claim government skeptics want to eliminate ALL government and live in anarchy:

"I am against the libertine approach that all government must go. That is anarchy, that is not God approved."

You keep making that red herring statement and it's unmitigated BS. Then you say that you're attacked for saying ALL government is good:

"I NEVER said that all government is “benevolent.”

More BS. Post the quote where you were accused of this and prove me wrong.

I argue that government is run by sinners and they have an ever growing desire for power, which is disconnected from accountability and infringes on our freedoms - including speech and religious (public schools are a good example). If you are a Christian, you should be VERY worried about government control of every aspect of our lives. Cradle to grave control of :

our health care, retirement, how we educate our children and with what content, ownership of private property, how we protect our families... and a long list of significant infringements.

This invariably leads to government's definition of morality (pay your fair share, allow invasion of privacy, dictate associations, control public discourse, etc.). History shows that you, as a Christian, will be on the wrong side of that power trip.

Give me a time in history where MORE, NOT different government, makes society better. Germany, China, Russia, Japan in the 20th century...? Or in past centuries - England, France, Rome, Israel under a King or the Pharisees and Sadducees...? Name ONE TIME. Just ONE!

America was founded on LIMITED government based on Natural Rights.

Please, educate yourself on history and the Bible so that you quit defending the very serious problem of ever growing infringements on our God given liberties!

54 posted on 04/17/2013 2:28:42 PM PDT by uncommonsense (more laws = more government = more coercive power = more crimes of consequence)
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