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Gold, Silver In Asian Liquidation Mode As China Growth Slows More
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-14/gold-asian-liquidation-mode ^

Posted on 04/14/2013 9:47:15 PM PDT by Orange1998

UPDATE: Spot Gold $1426 (from $1564 highs Friday)

As Asia opens to the bloodbath that occurred in precious metals on Friday in the US, it would appear that more than a few traders got the 'tap on the shoulder'. Shanghai futures are limit-down and spot gold and silver prices are plunging once again as we suspect forced margin-calls and the raising of cash (to cover extreme variation margin - or capital reserves) needed in JGB positions, as we explained here.

Liquidation is certainly the theme of the evening - investors are selling JGBs (6th day in a row of multiple-sigma moves in long-dated Japanese bonds 30Y +56bps off its post-BoJ lows at 1.60%!), selling Japanese stocks (Nikkei -128 pts, second biggest down day post-BoJ), selling US Treasuries (futures down), selling gold and silver (gold spot down over $100 from Friday's highs), and despite selling JPY early (retracing 30% of the weakness post-BoJ), JPY is practically unchanged (jerking lower only on the US futures open and Asian equity open) - it seems Mrs.Watanabe is struggling and unwinding some her excessively short JPY and long NKY positions... and post the China data (4-for-4 misses), everything is red - JGBs down, Japanese stocks down, US Stocks down, US Treasuries down, Gold and Silver down, Copper down, Oil down, Rubber futures limit down.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gold; goldminicrash; silver; sourcetitlenoturl
All this race to debase is going to end badly. Monday stock market will be interesting.
1 posted on 04/14/2013 9:47:15 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

While investors are dumping gold and silver, China, Russia, India, Brazil central banks/sovereign funds are picking them up at basement prices. China intends to have a gold reserve that exceeds the US and at the rate we are dumping gold, China and Russia are happy to pick up.


2 posted on 04/14/2013 9:54:04 PM PDT by Fee (9/11 first shaking; 2008 finance collapse second shaking; 2015 ????)
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To: Fee

I think Cyprus rumor of possible gold sale in the works.


3 posted on 04/14/2013 9:56:31 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998
Dow Fut down 46

S&P Fut down 6.60

NYMEX down 2.36

Brent down 2.26

Gold down 33.6

Silver down 1.24

4 posted on 04/14/2013 9:59:07 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

Goldman a few days ago put a sell on Gold. I can’t help from thinking they want to scare investors out of gold and into dollars. All the while they are snapping up Gold because fiat currency is worthless.


5 posted on 04/14/2013 10:12:07 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

If they scare down gold and silver enough, I would be a buyer.


6 posted on 04/14/2013 10:13:26 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

“…everything is red - JGBs down, Japanese stocks down, US Stocks down, US Treasuries down, Gold and Silver down, Copper down, Oil down, Rubber futures limit down”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-14/gold-asian-liquidation-mode

meanwhile, this article appears from der Spiegel:

“An Economy on the Brink
More than a decade ago, the Dutch central bank recognized the dangers of this euphoria, but its warnings went unheeded. Only last year did the new government, under conservative-liberal Prime Minister Mark Rutte, amend the generous tax loopholes, which gradually began to expire in January. But now it’s almost too late. No nation in the euro zone is as deeply in debt as the Netherlands, where banks have a total of about €650 billion in mortgage loans on their books.
Consumer debt amounts to about 250 percent of available income. By comparison, in 2011 even the Spaniards only reached a debt ratio of 125 percent.
The Netherlands is still one of the most competitive countries in the European Union, but now that the real estate bubble has burst, it threatens to take down the entire economy with it. Unemployment is on the rise, consumption is down and growth has come to a standstill. Despite tough austerity measures, this year the government in The Hague will violate the EU deficit criterion, which forbid new borrowing of more than 3 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/economic-crisis-hits-the-netherlands-a-891919.html

So we have Japan, China,USA, commodities worldwide, Netherlands-does this mean that the black hole which has been Japan for 20 years is spreading? If so, does it mean the reckoning we all expected to produce inflation when it ultimately came will instead produce deflation?

Is this the real problem with gold?


7 posted on 04/14/2013 10:20:24 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Enterprise

Gold seems to be holding at 1442.


8 posted on 04/14/2013 10:21:39 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

Guess there’s not much hope that it will go back down to 200 is there.


9 posted on 04/14/2013 10:23:30 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: nathanbedford

The recent Fed minutes mention pulling back on QE. If they did and everyone realizes the FEDS has no clothes and were the only buyers rates will rocket up. The Fed will re-enter in a Big Big Way and try to calm down the notes but will find its too late and inflation takes over.


10 posted on 04/14/2013 10:26:54 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Enterprise

If Physical gets down to 200 per oz I will be first in line. Heck I would do the same at 800 per oz.


11 posted on 04/14/2013 10:28:52 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

The more who dump their paper assets, the better the odds the futures market will be able to deliver hard goods.


12 posted on 04/14/2013 10:33:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Orange1998
This wasn't forced margin-calls.

As I just said on the other thread: the Fed sold 500 tons of paper IOU gold on Friday in a deliberate attempt to destroy PMs image as a safe haven.

The early release of the FOMC minutes, the mendacious Goldman call, the joke story about Cyprus's gold - these are all part of an orchestrated media blitz.

Eastern hemisphere central banks are going to buy the hell out of this paper intervention. The Gold is going east. Westerners will be left with a pile of worthless paper.

13 posted on 04/15/2013 12:36:35 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Orange1998

I’m buying Gold. Bought more Friday just before close.


14 posted on 04/15/2013 2:22:42 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

Gold is down almost 100 dollars now. Silver is down almost 3 dollars, and copper is down 11 cents.


15 posted on 04/15/2013 2:47:27 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: nathanbedford
I have only been able to understand gold and inflation in terms of what is happening to oil. When gas was relatively low, the housing market was booming. When gas started its steep climb, I told my wife that the housing market was going to stall and gold was going to climb. That's about as sophisticated an analysis as I am able to give. Conversely, if gas and oil are falling, gold tends to follow. When (if) the price of gas becomes cheap, jobs will be created again and the housing market will take off.

People like you who understand finance better than I do can add more sophisticated analysis that I can, because it's obviously much more complicated than the fall of the price of oil.

In theory, the fall of oil should be ultimately good for the stock market, but it will take time for the benefit to take hold.

16 posted on 04/15/2013 3:03:32 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Smokin' Joe

But ... futures are made out of paper.


17 posted on 04/15/2013 5:59:44 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan
Yep, but when loaned and leased and leveraged gold is counted as an asset, and the paper gold is multiples of the metal, sooner or later the contract comes due. Scaring a lot of the paper gold holders out of the market lowers the paper to physical ratio.

Any holding physical who bail and sell just sweeten that--at 'bargain' prices for the purchaser.

18 posted on 04/15/2013 6:55:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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