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Shock Video: Gun Rights Advocate's Staff Helped Write Background Check Bill (S 649)
Youtube ^ | 4/13/13 | Daylight Disinfectant

Posted on 04/14/2013 8:56:46 AM PDT by Nachum

An influential Gun Rights Advocate actually helped write the Background Check Bill coming up before the Senate this coming week. Alan Gottlieb, Executive Vice President of the Second Amendment Foundation, speaking candidly at a GOP gathering on Friday claimed that his staff had actually helped write the bill. He went on to describe how the Bill would be a step in the right direction for gun control advocates. "There's a Million other checks in there it's a Christmas Tree," bragged Gottlieb, "We just hung a Million Ornaments on it."

"Unfortunately some of my colleagues haven't quite figured it out yet because they weren't standing in the room writing it. My staff was. I'll be perfectly candid about it. This will probably break on Monday in the Wall Street Journal. "

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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Nachum.
Alan Gottlieb, Executive Vice President of the Second Amendment Foundation, speaking candidly at a GOP gathering on Friday claimed that his staff had actually helped write the bill. He went on to describe how the Bill would be a step in the right direction for gun control advocates.
Quick, blame the NRA!


21 posted on 04/14/2013 10:17:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Yo-Yo

We’ve already got Republicans caving in the Senate & Boehner caving in the House. This is better than a bill put together by Feinstein & Schumer.

I am also outraged that ANY bill is going thru, but until we can get this country back from the leftists & RINO’s, we are going to see something go thru. Sad, but true.


22 posted on 04/14/2013 10:21:58 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: riverrunner
Alan Gottlieb is one of most pro gun rights person in the US. If any had anything to do with writing the bill some good should come out of it.

Alan Gottlieb has been taking a lot of risky moves, like Rommel flanking in the desert. I hope none of them come back to bite him.

Here in Washington state he helped "compromise" on HB1588, a state democrat sponsored universal background check bill. The compromise was to add wording that eliminated the state pistol registry, to show that "registration was not the goal of the bill". Gottlieb was attacked as a traitor by some pro-gun people.

Turns out police guilds balked at the removal of the registry, saying it was used thousands of times in crime investigations. Democrats had to pull the wording, registration was exposed as the real goal, conservatives dropped their support, and the bill unravelled at one deft pull of the string by Gottlieb.

Let's see if he can keep playing the dangerous game.

23 posted on 04/14/2013 10:29:46 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: Nachum

Off with his head.....


24 posted on 04/14/2013 10:58:45 AM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: Twotone

We don’t want “good things”.
We want benign neglect.
We want our Constitutional right left the heck alone.


25 posted on 04/14/2013 11:08:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: jeffc

Don’t be too confused, the NRA wrote the 1968 gun control act in its entirety.

It’s easier to collect contributions if you have something to fight.


26 posted on 04/14/2013 11:12:27 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ctdonath2

I agree that’s what we want. But are we going to get it? Not unless there’s a 5 million man march on DC in the next 30 days.


27 posted on 04/14/2013 11:17:11 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: riverrunner

Then you think this is PR MSM garbage?


28 posted on 04/14/2013 11:21:15 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SunkenCiv

I just deleted my monthly contribution to the Second Amendment Foundation, and I will be cancelling my life membership.


29 posted on 04/14/2013 12:01:55 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: jeffc
Don't be confused. Alan Gottlieb was a National Director of Young Americans for Freedom in the early 1970s. He is solid as the Rock of Gibralter. He graduated Vaderbilt with a degree ion nuclear physics and went right to work for the gun owners' movement where he has been ever since.

Alan was behind the lawsuit that had the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals ORDER Illinois to enact a concealed carry statute by 6/11/13 or face completely unregulated concealed carry. The decision was written by Judge Posner, definitely one of ours.

A federal statute foreclosing the field which requires each and every state to honor each other state's gun permits and which provides a fifteen year jail term for any misuse of federal records by government officials and, apparently, a Christmas tree of other goodies is an example of Alan's genius. I trust him and Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America far more than I will ever trust David Keene of NRA. I don't know where Larry Pratt stands on the bill but you won't catch the Second Amendment Foundation or Gun Owners of America endorsing such trash as Harry Reid for re-election.

30 posted on 04/14/2013 12:22:11 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: TheOldLady; SunkenCiv; Principled; GenXteacher; cripplecreek; Fiji Hill; Dr. Sivana

See #30


31 posted on 04/14/2013 12:27:23 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: riverrunner

“We are where we are” because of so-called Second Amendment supporters breaking bread with those who seek to further penalize LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS! F- him and the rest. He’s gonna get his two cents in....good for him...and a disaster for the rest of us.


32 posted on 04/14/2013 12:30:03 PM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Nachum
This bill is worse than a ban on some specific models or types of guns. It trashes the 4th Amend., the 5th Amend. and the 10th Amend. as well as the 2nd Amend.

The Toomey-Manchin Kill The Bill of Rights Bill.

TITLE ONE: GETTING ALL THE NAMES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASERS INTO THE BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM

Summary of Title I: This section improves background checks for firearms by strengthening the instant check system.

- Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply.

By "all their available records" just what records are they blackmailing states for with that statist bilge water? "All" is a pretty big word when only a very few records are applicable to denying someone their right to keep and bear arms.

- Allow dealers to voluntarily use the NICS database to run background checks on their prospective employees.

Does that means dealers can run NICS checks on prospective employees without their knowledge or consent? I have no idea what the word 'voluntarily' means there. Does it mean dealers will be allowed to not run NICS checks if they prefer not to?

- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).

Submissions of mental health records? Since when has it been legal to deny any American their rights without due process? Isn't it required that a person be adjudicated mentally deficient by a court of law to do that? Mental health records are entirely irrelevant except to those court proceedings. This bill sounds like Stalinist purge material.

- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.

Is that an admission that the Bill of Rights doesn't cover veterans or an admission that it doesn't cover anyone anymore?

Was all of this gun control demagoguery really just a Trojan Horse to sneak this Bill of Rights killer into law?

33 posted on 04/14/2013 12:30:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: All
Look at the precedents Toomey-Manchin sets regarding the freedom to travel.
34 posted on 04/14/2013 12:34:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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Posted: Full Text of 'The Public Safety And Second Amendment Rights Protection Act'
(Toomey-Manchin Treason Bill)

35 posted on 04/14/2013 12:36:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: All
Feinstein: All Vets Are Mentally Ill And Government Should Prevent Them From Owning Firearms
36 posted on 04/14/2013 12:43:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: BlackElk

Anyone standing to the left of total elimination of background checks is no 2nd amendment supporter. Period.


37 posted on 04/14/2013 1:16:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BlackElk

thank you


38 posted on 04/14/2013 3:07:08 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
He doesn't know what 'infringe' means.

That's why he's speaking highly of an 'infringement'.

Let's dump these people ~ too much overburden from other sorts of RINOs to find out we've got to put up with idiocy.

39 posted on 04/14/2013 3:11:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: stockpirate

Well Said,
they can keep those “checks”,


40 posted on 04/14/2013 3:15:02 PM PDT by Big Red Badger
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