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The Bullet Bubble: Is Ammo The Next Bitcoin, Or Gold In The 1970s?
Forbes ^ | April 9, 2013 | Daniel Fisher,

Posted on 04/11/2013 1:10:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: LegendHasIt

....stuff I handloaded 27 years AGO with.....

Left out a word.

Doh!


21 posted on 04/11/2013 4:08:11 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gimme some of dem “popular .22 long shells”! I’m guessing the Forbes guy doesn’t do much shooting.


22 posted on 04/11/2013 4:16:01 AM PDT by zagger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The situation is dire, an experiment by the gov’t that has proven to be most successful, next on the agenda will be food, Homeland Security at every store armed and ready enforcers.

Already we see this in the works, small independent producers regulated out of business, even personal gardens will be regulated...Monsanto will rule the world.

I ridiculed conspiracy theorist for many years...Now I am one.


23 posted on 04/11/2013 4:18:56 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The new law includes a $35 permit to buy ammo that requires a background check and is good for five years


My predictions have become absolutely true. For years I have commented on FR that they would come for the ammo if they could not actually take our guns. Now, it has become fact.

The Second Amendment states we have the right to keep and bear arms but it does not say we have the right to keep and bear ammo.

Our forefathers never imagined that the Second Amendment would be parsed by legal experts and most of all, parsed down to the wording to differentiate between arms and ammo.

Well, it’s finally come to this.


24 posted on 04/11/2013 4:19:20 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This reminds me of the Johnny Carson Late Night show joke about a toilet paper shortage in response to Jimmah’s gasoline shortage. The next day, grocery stores across the country ran out of all toilet paper stock.


25 posted on 04/11/2013 4:19:41 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jonty30
From a business POV, is it better to really pump out everything until the demand is finally sated, or is it more profitable to keep manufacturing quotas just short of what is needed to continue the shortage and keep the prices up?

If you were the only ammo maker, then yes. But there are lots pf ammo makers in competition, so they're all going flat out.

The perception that this is a short-term bubble is stopping ammo makers from putting a lot of money into expanding facilities, buying equipment, or hiring a lot more people. If it continues much longer, we will see ammo makers buying new equipment earlier.

26 posted on 04/11/2013 4:20:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Jonty30
Are the manufacturers really running full out?

I think so. We have had a start up company in our area start making their own ammo. It appears they quickly gave up trying to show stock for internet orders and appear to be selling all they can make locally.

27 posted on 04/11/2013 4:54:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: LibWhacker; All

Furthermore, the jack-ass author does not understand the difference between bullets and ammunition.


28 posted on 04/11/2013 5:20:20 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

DoD’s decision to stop recycling used brass is a big deal, impacting ammo availability.

They now scrap, rather than make available for reloading.


29 posted on 04/11/2013 5:39:16 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A 2011 survey of retailers found they reported 25% of their customers appeared to be new gun owners, Bazinet said, and the most recent Gallup poll found that 47% of Americans reported having a gun in the home. “The demographic is spreading out,” Bazinet said, and gun ranges “are busier than ever.”

Then why the hell aren't we hearing about new ammo plants being built?? The market has grown way past what it was. They should be springing up all around like rose buds this time of year.

Sure I know there are permitting and environmental issues, but my state is building not one but 2 new refineries - it can be done.

Are the execs who manage these companies really that risk adverse?

30 posted on 04/11/2013 5:44:00 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Jonty30

It is a real shortage, caused by a perceived shortage.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/01/johnny-carson-once-caused-a-month-long-toilet-paper-shortage/


31 posted on 04/11/2013 5:46:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Last Dakotan
Then why the hell aren't we hearing about new ammo plants being built?? The market has grown way past what it was. They should be springing up all around like rose buds this time of year.

Probably because most successful investors see this as a bubble, as I do.

Where I used to keep a few months of ammo on hand, I've bumped up my purchases to keep a few years on hand. I'm not shooting more. I've bought more in the last few months than the couple years before. But I don't plan to keep buying at this rate, and if prices stay this high, I will probable shoot less and buy less ammo in the future.

32 posted on 04/11/2013 5:50:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: zagger

Not much call for .22 Longs. I don’t think they even make BB Caps any more. Pity, they were cheap and you could shoot them indoors.


33 posted on 04/11/2013 5:55:42 AM PDT by Dedbone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The new law includes a $35 permit to buy ammo that requires a background check and is good for five years — until the legislature decides it can shorten the term and increase the fee as a new source of tax revenue.

Meanwhile the Democrats to fighting voter ID laws across the nation scream that any fee to obtain a ID is equal to a poll tax and therefore unconstitutional.

34 posted on 04/11/2013 5:59:54 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Jonty30
...or is it more profitable to keep manufacturing quotas just short of what is needed...

so that your competitors can continue to sell as much as they possibly can?

35 posted on 04/11/2013 6:46:15 AM PDT by Darth Reardon
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To: thackney
“The demographic is spreading out,” Bazinet said, and gun ranges “are busier than ever.”

If they think this is a bubble that will pass, they are misreading their market. Happens quite frequently.

36 posted on 04/11/2013 7:04:42 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: thackney
Probably because most successful investors see this as a bubble, as I do.

Unless this cold civil war goes hot... then the 'bubble' was only an indicator of rising demand.

37 posted on 04/11/2013 7:07:31 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: G Larry
DoD’s decision to stop recycling used brass is a big deal, impacting ammo availability.

Your information is at least 4 years old and incorrect.

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/03/dod-demil-order-on-used-brass-reversed/#axzz2QADOPr9d

38 posted on 04/11/2013 7:10:08 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Darth Reardon

It wouldn’t be the first time competitors colluded for mutual benefit.

I wasn’t being accusatory, it just seems that there should be some increased inventories by now, even if it’s a small gain.


39 posted on 04/11/2013 7:10:16 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: G Larry

Check local metal recyclers for range brass.

In my area, you can buy scrap range brass for $3/lb. Most of it is popular calibers, i.e., 9MM, .40S&W, .223, .45 Auto, etc. Less than 10% in calibers other than the popular ones. It comes out to less than 3 cents for a 9MM case and less than 5 cents for .223.

Reloaders already know this and buy the scrap to turn into ammo.

The nationwide shortage is starting to abate. Last week’s gun show had plenty at higher, but still reasonable, prices. They never ran out of premium, expensive stuff like CorBon.

Relax and wait for prices to stabilize. Then stock up on a regular basis.

Right now there are bargains on excellent deer rifles because people are spending their money on ARs, AKs, overpriced ammo, etc.


40 posted on 04/11/2013 8:00:12 AM PDT by darth
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