NRA Fires Back: Gun rights group to oppose Manchin, Toomey background check bill

Washington Free Beacon ^ | April 10, 2013 | CJ Ciaramella

[devolve]

- What's that thing you are pointing at me Devolve?

A .44-40 Colt - your time is up now Opansy.....

[VRWCmember]

If a felon is no danger, hence being let out of prison, he/she should be allowed to own a fire arm.

The dems want to allow felons to vote. I say if you are going to let them vote then you shouldn't have a problem with reinstating their 2nd Amendment rights as well. As for the crazies, maybe we should be going after their voting rights too. If people are too criminally insane to have the right to own a gun then we shouldn't let them vote either.

[AuntB]

I'm concerned about some of the NRA board members...one in paricular who sells out conservatism every chance he gets. Time will tell how much influence one has.

Grover Norquist, that's what a traitor looks like. He's busy these days pushing amnesty, calling anyone who opposes it "bitter enders', lobbying for Bill Gates, counseling Rubio and the 'gang of 8'.

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And that other fellow in the photo...that's Suhail Khan of the ACU, CPAC big whig, who is presently a Microsoft lobbyist and friend of radical Islam.

Bitter Enders, Unite!!! Guess who's behind the latest amnesty push???

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2013/04/bitter-enders-unite-guess-whos-behind.html

[demshateGod]

Agree. But you can forget about that happening in Obamanation.

[supercat]

But how would the government be able to know that a background check was done if it doesn’t know where the guns are in the first place? The gummint loves its metrics!

One could pass a rule requiring that an individuals who sells a firearm to another individual should keep a copy of the credential used to verify the sale against a list of people who had been convicted of felonies, and if within the next ten years they are presented with the physical firearm itself they must tender a copy of such credential to the government. If the government has physical possession of the weapon, such a request would not facilitate its confiscation (since the government already has it!). A variety of means could be used to ensure that maintenance of a reliable and unalterable archive of the version of the list that existed on any date. If the buyer wasn't on the forbidden list, then the government shouldn't care whether the background check was done. If the buyer was on the forbidden list, that would suggest it wasn't done.

[Bryanw92]

>>One could pass a rule requiring that

One could. But the government will not. This is not about preventing “tragedies” or keeping people safe. This government knows that the economy is just about done and the entitlement checks are going to stop soon unless it “fundamentally changes” the way we do business in America. When that happens and the overwhelming majority of people find that their new standard of living based on what some government bureaucrat/commissar decides you “need” is not very good, the people will rise up. It will just be shouting and brick throwing at first, but eventually the shooting will begin.

This government (not Obama’s government, but the government of the Two Party System as it is currently formed) needs to defang the 330 Million angry Americans before that day arrives. Universal background checks are the only means that they have at this time. They will not use your non-intrusive plan. They can’t afford to let this crisis go to waste.

[nickcarraway]

You would think Manchin and Toomey would have ASKED for the NRA’s input...

They probably did and the NRA told them to go for it. The NRA loves gun control, it just means they get more money. They don't care about gun rights actually existing.

[Nowhere Man]

If a felon is no danger, hence being let out of prison, he/she should be allowed to own a fire arm. If they are a danger, they should be in jail. No law will stop them from having a firearm. I know you know all this. I just wanted to add it.

Agreed. I'd trust someone who did a non-violent crime over one who is violent of course. As you put it, if they are violent, they do not belong in society until they are rehabilitated if possible. Other cases, if someone serves time, then maybe after a probationary period, six months, perhaps a year, if there are no problems, they then cam buy a firearm.

[supercat]

But the government will not.

I know that. My point, though, was that even if the rules were written in such a way that they would not allow the government to locate firearms but only determine the chain of custody for a firearm it physically possessed (such ability being sufficient to satisfy the claimed purpose of background checks), background checks should still be considered unacceptable unless there were also a means of ensuring that they would and could never be used to deny anyone's RKBA without due process of law.

I think my point is that arguments that background checks allow the government to build registration lists which they could use in bad faith aren't apt to sway people who perceive the government as generally acting in good faith. It's much more effective to make the point that the people pushing for background checks have openly complained that such checks presently fail to block sales to people who have not been adjudicated mentally incompetent, have never been convicted of any felony or other crime which, when committed, was punishable by loss of RKBA, and are not presently under indictment for any such crime. Some people may dismiss the notion that registration lists could facilitate confiscation as "tinfoil hat nonsense", but it's harder to dismiss the notion that Lutenberg et al. want to deny people's RKBA without due process when they have written legislation to do precisely that.

[Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America]

I think you forgot your ‘/sarcasm’ tag.

[xzins]

Nope.

It WAS the NRA that stood up after Sandy Hook and delivered the news that School Security was the issue and not guns owned by law abiding citizens.

Do I think that their political endorsements have been mistaken over the last few terms? Yes.

At the same time, they are standing solid opposing the Reid Bill and the Manchin-Toomey amendment.

So, the system they used to compile gun records on candidates was broken, but their support for the 2d amendment is not broken.

[Vernon]

Fortunately I have everything I need, food, clothing, and anything else I may or may not have is none of their business!