Posted on 03/28/2013 11:10:30 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
I have made no bones about the fact that the ultimate authority on the issue of homosexuality is the Bible and it is crystal clear in condemning it. If others want to cite polls and commentaries and “experts” to attempt to bolster their claim in favor of homosexuality they are welcome to do so. However, what I find a bit disingenuous are those that will talk about rights within the context of the Constitution, which was written by men, not God as though the men who wrote it and backed it would have sided with practicing homosexuals today on the issue of marriage. I can tell you that the issue of marriage would have never been addressed as it is today, simply because the view of homosexuality was addressed first, thus making the point of same-sex “marriage” a ridiculous notion.
First, note that our founding fathers would have been outraged that homosexuals would be out in the open. They knew that such perversion would both undermine and erode the moral foundations of civilization. Under the British common law, the term sodomy was used to identify same-sex relations and was a capital crime. Understand that the founders referenced Sir William Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England extensively. He was a British attorney, jurist, law professor, author, and political philosopher.
Blackstone’s commentaries were the premiere legal source used by the Founding Fathers in America. So this should carry some weight with those who claim they know what the Founding Fathers knew and wanted concerning the issue of homosexuality, but I’m guessing they will dismiss it. In Blackstone’s Fourth Book, Chapter Fifteen titled Of Offences against the Persons of Individuals, he writes the following on pages 215-216 (emphasis added):
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What say you?
Homosexuality has been around a long long time. Liberals try to make us think its something new.
It has always been a destructive force and our Founding Fathers knew it.
History is of little importance to the young people supporting homosexual marriage. Their response to this would be “those same guys writing the Constitution thought slavery was okay. We’ve evolved.”
I would reply that 40 years ago, the concept that “gay marriage” is OK would have been unthinkable. But I guess we “evolved.” Maybe those young people ought to show they are ahead of the curve on their path to “evolution” and go have an open-air orgy with dead goats. Especially if they are underage dead goats. That’s the path their “evolution” is taking. Might as well get there now and be done with it.
I am also quite disturbed that the gay mafia has penetrated (pun intended) our religious institutions, and so many of them have fallen for the lies that homosexuality is not a sin, and would not be condemned by Jesus for the sin that it is. The bible makes quite clear, not just in Leviticus but also in the Gospels and Paul’s letters, that homosexuality IS SIN. And as for how Jesus would treat it, you only need to read John 8: 1-11. The problem is that the homosexuals simply cannot admit to themselves that what they are doing is a life of sin. I guess they just can’t leave their partners’ behind. (Joke intended.)
"Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams
This is why our country will fall and this is why the left attacks religion at every opportunity.
I once replied on a yahoo news post that the survival of a democracy depends on a moral God-fearing people. The comment was hidden after multiple thumbs down. The downfall is moving downhill picking up speed.
Divorce lawyers will determine the popularity of marriage among gays. I suspect that even if “legal”, it will only take a short time to fall from desirable to something to avoid. Truly a non-issue for conservatives as we should be more outraged at the death of marriage for non-gays because of government policies.
"Note that our first President viewed “sodomy” or homosexual relations with “Abhorrence and Detestation.”
That is exactly the way normal people view it. It's a visceral reaction; homosexuality is that unnatural.
“Slavery!”
I win!
They did not evolve. They were propagandized. Indoctrinated. Brainwashed by government union workers (government teachers), ie, godless, braindead Marxists.
“What say you?”
Privately I wish the whole gay thing would just
dry up and blow away (no pun intended). I don’t
like the idea of gay marriage but I don’t care
about the sexuality of others. Just don’t throw
it in my face. Having stated that, I must admit
that there are probably several different areas
where I and most others would part company with
most of our Founding Fathers when it comes to
some subjects.
I don't understand any nations or peoples willingness to flaunt and challenge God. They will get what they deserve and what is coming to them. There isn't an escape except for repentance. Unfortunately, these bad people are bringing harm on innocents around them. Collateral damage in their war on God, I suppose.
The issue is not how popular homosexual marriage and polygamy will be, it is that marriage will no longer exist in America.
Someone will say, “I am married” and it will describe nothing, mean nothing, reveal nothing.
I say liberals like to spout off that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality as a sin. Well, the Mosaic Law clearly condemned it as a nasty, sinful habit. Christ kept the Law perfectly; then having been worthy, was crucified AND resurrected. He flatly would not have approved of such rotten, lawbreaking behavior, for Himself or for anyone else. Accepting His Grace, we do not habitually indulge in rotten behaviors because He loved us, nor do we encourage others in their aberrant behaviors.
Untrue. I've seen a whole lot of posts by birthers demonstrating that Vattel held this position.
no not true.
books were not as common as today.
lawyers would have a notebook, a bible, and a dictionary as their base sources and add to that.
blacks law dictionary did not appear until after teh civil war I believe.
vatel has been reduced, fortunatly or unfortunatly, into a joke around the rest of teh world outside of FR.
“Homosexuality has been around a long long time. Liberals try to make us think its something new.”
“It has always been a destructive force and our Founding Fathers knew it.”
I heard this said, I can’t remember who said it. But, a liberals idea of history goes back to when they got up this morning.
I was dating a woman that used almost that exact same line.
She is entitled to her beliefs but she never quite got that those old white guys that wrote that old document are the very reason she has her freedoms today. I don’t think she realized how quickly the feral government would turn on her if she was doing something the “collective” did not approve. Oh well, she’ll probably find out soon enough.
Aspiring lawyers had to "read the law."
The Law they read was primarily Blackstone.
Bingo. Marriage, conservatives claim, is the foundation of society. Marriage is a contract, among other things, and presumably it should be the most sacred contract.
Yet in our society it is the easiest of all contracts to get out of.
And there is very little support among supposed conservatives and even the "Religious Right," for making marriage again an institution that means something.
I will never forget an episode of Rhoda, an otherwise utterly forgettable sitcom from the mid-70s. Rhoda is finally getting married. They change their vows to "as long as we both shall love."
The utter stupidity of this immediately struck me. What kind of an idiot makes a vow to do something as long as he continues to feel like doing i? Isn't the whole purpose of a vow to give you a reason to keep doing something when you don't feel like doing it?
Yet this basic attitude towards marriage has become very widely accepted even among supposed conservatives.
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