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To: Colofornian

The whole issue of trying to link Polygamy of the Mormons in the 1800’s to the gay marriage issue is a smoke screen,straw-man arguement.

The Mormons had more women survive then men on their trek to Salt Lake, so they acted accordingly, to survive, as I recall.

I don’t believe the Mormons thought it was okay for a man to marry more than one man, correct?

I don’t think they allowed an man to marry a man, or women to marry a women, either, unless I am missing something.

This is my understanding of the polygamy issue among the Mormons, am I being naive?

Not trying to be a jerk, seriously, maybe I have been mis-informed.


121 posted on 03/27/2013 7:24:46 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: GrouchoTex; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
The Mormons had more women survive then men on their trek to Salt Lake, so they acted accordingly, to survive, as I recall.

Sorry, but this is faulty -- even by the census taken by Utah Mormons, per Lds "apostle" John Widtsoe.

According to the Changing World of Mormonism, pp. 224-225: [LDS} "Apostle” John A. Widtsoe, who was born during the polygamy years (early 1870s) stated:

’We do not understand why the Lord commanded the practice of plural marriage.’ (Evidences and Reconciliations, 1960, p.393). One of the most popular explanations is that the church practiced polygamy because there was a surplus of women. The truth is, however, that there were less women than men. Apostle Widtsoe admitted that there was no surplus of women”: 'The implied assumption in this theory, that there have been more female than male members in the Church, is not supported by existing evidence. On the contrary, there seems always to have been more males than females in the Church.’.. The United States census records from 1850 to 1940, and all available Church records, uniformly show a preponderance of males in Utah, and in the Church. Indeed, the excess in Utah has usually been larger than for the whole United States, ... there was no surplus of women'” (Widtsoe, Evidences and Reconciliations, 1960, pp.390-92," as cited in Changing World, pp. 224-225).

123 posted on 03/27/2013 7:29:16 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: GrouchoTex
I don’t think they allowed an man to marry a man, or women to marry a women, either, unless I am missing something.

#1...Think about polygamy for a moment...and then compare that to what Genesis 2:24 & Jesus (Matthew 19:6) BOTH have said about marriage: It is a union where the TWO married participants become ONE FLESH.

Right?

Now. Mormons FOR GENERATIONS preferred to label "polygamy" as "plural marriage." Plural marriage? Does that mean "sister wives" are "ONE FLESH," too?

For those who think God had some sort of "polygamy formula" in the Old Testament, they have to deal with Gen. 2:24 and Matt. 19:6 -- where BOTH say (Jesus in Matt. 19:6) 2-become-1 flesh. Why again is that relevant? Because if you think a man becomes single "flesh" simultaneously with 2 or more women, then that means these people ALSO think two "sister wives" also become "one flesh." And once you go there, on what grounds do you claim God doesn't "ordain" lesbian "marriages"?

#2...I have some 19th century quotes from Lds leaders who showed they thought polygamy was superior to monogamy because it pre-empted prostitution. (Wow! Some elevation of monogamy that is!)

127 posted on 03/27/2013 7:36:18 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: GrouchoTex
The Mormons had more women survive then men on their trek to Salt Lake, so they acted accordingly, to survive, as I recall.

You 'recall' wrong.

130 posted on 03/27/2013 7:39:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GrouchoTex
The Mormons had more women survive then men on their trek to Salt Lake, so they acted accordingly, to survive, as I recall.

IF this is true; then the MORMONs definitely went against what their GOD had told them TWICE!



The Book of MORMON:
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

The BIBLE:

1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.

132 posted on 03/27/2013 7:41:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GrouchoTex
Among Native American tribes, especially the warring tribes in the plains and Rocky Mountains, whom I count among my progenitors, polygamy was the rule and not the exception, for precisely the fact that more women survived than men.
153 posted on 03/28/2013 6:21:30 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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