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To: Longbow1969
Take note that the member states are not joining due to popular demand for it, but for political reasons (right now, mostly having to do with Russia’s rise back to power, especially among the Baltic and Balkan states). In fact, popular sentiment on the ground is to do away with it—even in Germany. The EU is a project of the elites, not of the people; the vast majority of countries have had the EU rammed down their throats, and that is a fact.

I was not joking about the USSR’s constitution(s) claiming that its Soviet Republics could secede, BTW.
To every Union Republic is reserved the right freely to secede from the U.S.S.R. 1936 Constitution, Article 17
Each Union Republic shall retain the right freely to secede from the USSR. 1977 Constitution, Article 72
Nobody got to vote on joining the euro, incidentally; not even Ireland.
42 posted on 03/26/2013 3:49:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
The EU is a project of the elites, not of the people; the vast majority of countries have had the EU rammed down their throats, and that is a fact.

Come on, your exaggerating badly here. I know they re-voted in Ireland till they "got it right", but I don't think there is a majority in ANY Eurozone country to leave right now. And come on, Germany? The people punish Merkel by voting for the SPD - an even bigger supporter of the Eurozone than CDU/CSU. I agree with you that the elites sold this thing. I've already told you I think it's goal was enable massive social welfare states without the potential competition (among other reasons ofcourse).

It's a mistake for you to assume your disdain (perhaps hatred) for the EU is shared by most Europeans. It's just not the case. Even with all the troubles, bailouts, etc, most Europeans still seem determined to make the EU work. I think its stupid. If I were the Greeks, for example, I'd have used the opportunity to walk away, but they didn't. I don't believe for a minute that parties like Syriza and Golden Dawn will likely last in Greece. Those are just protest votes. In the end the people don't want to leave the EU and they will go along with pretty much any bailout program once they think the EU won't budge.

46 posted on 03/26/2013 4:15:14 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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