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To: Olog-hai

The problem with those of the Libertarian bent, folks who have been heavily influenced by Ron Paul and others, who are trying to surrender the fight to defend marriage and the natural family for us, is that they utterly fail to recognize a number of critically important things:

1) The fundamental nature of the marriage bond and its character as the basis for all human civilization, governance and economy.

2) The moral depravity that the homosexual idea represents.

3) The fact that if you give government over to moral depravity you will have destroyed the possibility of republican, constitutional self-government.

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.”— George Washington

“No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.” — Thomas Jefferson

“The aim of every political Constitution, is or ought to be first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust.” — James Madison

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our constitution as a whale goes through a net.” — John Adams


33 posted on 03/25/2013 10:36:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Legislate that down is up if you will, but take my advice, don't jump off cliffs anyway.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Agree. I forget which Scotus judge determined that Christian teachings are anathema to the law, that Christian morality as the basis of law making is unconstitutional.

Our Framing generation and earlier philosophers distinguished between liberty and license, between ordered liberty in a civil society and abuse of liberty. The former promotes social cohesiveness essential to our happiness, while licentiousness divides our community into squabbling factions that may eventually disintegrate our (feeble) republic.

BTW, if Senators were appointed by the States, do you think Congress would be pushing the States around like this, over gay marriage and other issues like Obamacare?

39 posted on 03/26/2013 3:32:25 AM PDT by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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