Posted on 03/21/2013 4:37:24 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is at the center of the latest "birther" conspiracy. But he's not the first to face this line of questioning.
A handful of politicians have been targeted in the last few years with the same accusation -- that they are not fit for the Presidency because they do not meet the constitutionally-mandated eligibility requirement of being a "natural-born" U.S. citizen.
Confusion around who qualifies as a "natural born" citizen has contributed to the debate, as the Constitution does not explicitly define the phrase. Some incorrectly presume it only includes people born within the boundaries of the United States. In fact, by U.S. citizenship law you can be American "at birth" or a "natural born citizen" under a few circumstances that don't involve being born on the mainland. For example, if you're born on a U.S. military base abroad, like in Panama, that counts. You are still categorized as being American "at birth" if one or both of your parents are U.S. citizens and fit a list of long and complicated requirements that arebroken down here.
Check out our list of politicians who have battled "birther" claims.
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In other words, the records WERE unsealed, ( even though they were supposed to be sealed forever to protect children and family ) but since they were not going to be used for litigation in court, YOU (and your dishonest ilk) are saying it was okay to unseal them.
You make me want to throw up.
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I just happen to have two barf bags left from a really rough flight. I’ll use one and e-mail you the other.
Don’t soil yourself with his codswollop.
LucyT,
You are absolutely right, and your analysis pegs him precisely.
Putting it another way,
According to Sven its OK to get records unsealed in order to destroy a political opponent of 0
BUT
its not OK to unseal them to help a criminal investigation of 0
Arrowhead,
Alerting azishot and LucyT
Ping to #198!
Checkmate!
Sven can’t use his queen, his bathhouse boss, that is!
This might be the socialists’ preemptive effort to demonize Cruz if it was Cruz who listened to Sheriff Joe.
I wonder if they are so gung-ho anti-constitution in order to protect Dear Reader with their voters when he's exposed in Congress. They just denounce Congress, judges - whoever proves Obama is not eligible.
“Sheriff Joe was at CPAC and I understand he spoke with some elected officials who were interested in what he showed them.”
Sheriff Joe was not at CPAC. It was his lead investigator, Lt. Mike Zullo, of the Maricopa County Sheriff Departments Cold Case Posse. He is the one who talked with interested high ranking elected officials.
Edit - that would be forgery.
If Obama had a "birth record for geneaology purposes" to copy from he would have the CORRECT ORIGINAL BC# to use at his disposal. He wouldn't of had to steal one that belonged to someone else.
As I said, Obama’s sealed original long form BC is a sealed record and cannot be litigated. The Rules of the Court stipulate the Court cannot consider the document as evidence. In the eyes of the Court it does not exist.
Many states, including Hawaii, provide a copy of the sealed and archived original to adoptees as a humanitarian gesture to allow the adoptee to use the document for historical reference. Each copy is stamped or marked with a phrase to indicate it is not a legal document and cannot be used in any Court or any legal proceeding for any reason. A copy of sealed original BC provided to an adult adoptee is marked or stamped with the phrase “NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT.”
This phrase or similar phrase is stamped or marked on a copy of a sealed Hawaii BC for an adult adoptee. This is why Obama had to edit the historical, “NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT” record so there would not be additional questions about his annulled Soetoro adoption.
I was asked who has standing to challenge and I explained it with an example.
The only Obama supporters on FR are the ConcernedFreepers trying to make his eligibility about his birth certificate when they know his immigration records are proof he’s ineligible.
That’s the second time you’ve called me profane names. I’m starting to tire of it. You should know better.
Grow up!
Smokeyblue many thanks for that analysis!
Pinging ray76 to this post!
Now Sven thinks its OK for 0 to have forged his genealogical b.c. to make it look like an authentic one!!!???!!!
This is why Obama had to edit the historical, “NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT” record so there would not be additional questions about his annulled Soetoro adoption.
Except that is not what they did.
That forged BC is not the result of editing just one phrase out from his "genealogy" copy. It's a completely fabricated computer file. From wrong fonts, typewriter spacing problems, to the same cut and pasted boxes. Not to mention the imported security seals.
Lord Monckton has a series of videos where he breaks down all the things wrong with that forgery. The litany of things wrong with that PDF file means your "little edit" story is wrong.
Per Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, a sealed and archived record does not exist, nor has it ever existed. You won’t get a conviction for forging a document that never existed in the eyes of the Court.
Gov. Abercrombie publicly stated the original BC was sealed and archived separately after former Election Supervisor Tim Adams announced Obama’s original was not available for inspection to employees of the State of Hawaii who have access to original BCs.
If Court rules allowed a sealed document to used a evidence in a forgery case, then there is enough evidence for an indictment. But, Court rules dictate the Court cannot examine a sealed record for evidence for any reason. Consequently, Obama will never be indicted for forging his original BC.
You’re being manipulated by OBOTS who want to take the focus off Obama’s immigration records. His immigration file proves he not eligible.
“Now Sven thinks its OK for 0 to have forged his genealogical b.c. to make it look like an authentic one!!!???!!!”
Per Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, in the eyes of the Court, the original does not exist and it has never existed. You won’t get an indictment for forging a document that never existed.
The Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure and the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure must be followed.
I’m calling the occupant of 1600 address by his title, the queen of the USA.
I thought you’re just an 0b0t who called me a liar once. Well, I was wrong, you’re actually an 0butt, my mistake!
Now, try man up and answer FReepers’ questions instead of the legalese cut&paste to answer a question about the weather.
BTW, what’s the weather discovery today in Sweden? Would a judge issue a restraining order until he goes pee pee? Do you have any standing to check the weather?
Well then let's make it about his immigration records - the one's you claim to have seen.
Will you sign a affidavit stating the detailed facts of your personal knowledge of knowing Obama naturalized in 1983 and turn that over to Sheriff Arpaio?
A simple "yes" or "no" please.
Well, he can't forge what he doesn't have (an original BC#) he has a stolen one.
I'm not talking about what will or will not happen to him regarding the forgery. I'm not a lawyer.
I'm saying that your story doesn't make sense.
If he had a "genealogy" copy but was unable to scan it so that he could use it and had to make a Frankenstein PDF file from it instead, he would of had the "genealogy" copy as a cheat sheet and he would have used the CORRECT BC#.
Why take one that belongs to someone else? The only reason is because he doesn't have a BC# of his own.
I notice that you completely ignored that point.
You’re being manipulated by OBOTS who want to take the focus off Obama’s immigration records. His immigration file proves he not eligible.
I've been very fair to you. I think something did happen in 1971 and your theory is plausible. I realize that if you are correct, that Obama was naturalized that that cracks open the egg we all want cracked. That would be great.
The problem is that I think Susan Daniels has more credibility than you. That SSN# from Conn. doesn't appear to have anything to do with the Catholic Services story.
Not sure why you keep insisting Obama was born in Hawaii when there is no proof of that even if he did naturalize at some point.
That Obama has the wrong BC# is in direct contradiction to what you are saying and I noticed you completely avoided answering about it. That's suspicious.
I also think it's suspicious that you point to very SPECIFIC information being in Janet N.'s home. How would somebody come by that information?
That's evidence of Treason. Not saying she doesn't or wouldn't but would she allow others to know about it?
If Obama’s birth facts were determined by a court, then the BC that was created as a result is legally probative and there would be no reason for Obama to have to edit anything. No reason for Onaka to refuse to verify his birth facts. No reason for him to have Stig Waidelich’s BC# or for 3 other August 1961 BC#’s to be changed from what they were in 1961. No reason for the HDOH to fabricate the BC’s of Waidelich and Ah Nee or the death certificate of Sunahara.
You’ve presented no evidence even after continuous requests, and what you have said contradicts the evidence that is now in the public sphere. If you want to be believed you need to present evidence that is stronger than the evidence to the contrary that we’ve already got. Will you do that? Just saying that something is so doesn’t give us a reason to believe that it’s true - especially when there is evidence in front of our eyes that refutes what you’re claiming.
Here’s some circumstantial evidence of the “now I know, now I don’t” claims by this 0butt:
If he knew what he claims or saw documents with Napolitano or anywhere else, the Chicago 0b0z0ids would have given him a headache that rivals Quarel Harris’ for looking into a passport that doesn’t belong to him.
If this makes sense, there’s only one explanation; 0butt is an 0b0t hired hand. Period. Legalese forecast not withstanding.
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