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To: SoCalConstitutionalist

If any Republican runs nationally on a promise to deport the illegals and their families they will lose.

This is a real tough one for conservatives. I think Rand is trying to chart a middle course.

Remember though, most congressman and senators in safe deats dont care about the GOP’s national chances and will oppose anything being done and promoting this demented idea that we can win again by threatening to round up millions of people and deport them.


10 posted on 03/21/2013 2:53:06 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
If any Republican runs nationally on a promise to deport the illegals and their families they will lose.

What is the basis of this assertion?

14 posted on 03/21/2013 2:55:51 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: JohnPDuncan
If any Republican runs nationally on a promise to deport the illegals and their families they will lose.

Says who?

Where is the empirical evidence?

If that were so, whey did both Republican AND Democrat voters jam the switchboards for months of DC when the GOP last tried this sellout and we forced them to listen to us and they voted it down?
16 posted on 03/21/2013 3:00:03 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Depends on how it’s sold. If they do it like always, it’s a 50 state wipeout. If they tell the actual truth it’s a landslide win.

Total the cost of illegals in cash. Always keep that hammered. But Push the crime stats and MOST importantly, articulate how every single penny going to illegals deprives people in old folks homes funding for care they may have otherwise had with that additional funding.

Show the price of perscriptions etc and how all the money going to hospitals to pay for illegal healthcare drives up the cost and CLOSES the facilities

Push the pix of the environmental destruction in AZ/Cali/Texas/New Mexico.

SHOW PICTURES of the murdered people/DWI fatalities.

In short, yse the Dem playbook to the letter. Except in this case women and children ARE hurt most and it’s all TRUE.

Tug the heartstrings. The Dem and GOP AND ALL OTHER amnesty by any name supporters cannot fight that and win.


20 posted on 03/21/2013 3:04:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: JohnPDuncan; All

“If any Republican runs nationally on a promise to deport the illegals and their families they will lose.”

Oh...my...we couldn’t have that...a republican ‘losing’...

Poll: Majority of Americans Want Illegal Immigrants Deported
National Review Online - Feb 21, 2013
Despite the national focus on immigration reform, a Reuters/Ipsos survey released this week indicates that Americans are not warming up to the ...
Poll: Most Americans ready to kick illegal immigrants to the curb msnNOW
New Poll Shows Majority of Americans Want to Deport Illegal ... KFDX
Poll: More Than Half Of US Citizens Want Illegal Immigrants Deported The Inquisitr
KTAR.com - DigitalJournal.com

AND

“Do you support or oppose passing a comprehensive immigration overhaul at the federal level that would provide a pathway to citizenship for most illegal immigrants currently living in the United States?” Among self-identified Republicans, 64 percent expressed opposition, with 44 percent strongly opposed; 30 percent supported comprehensive reform, but only 6 percent strongly supported it. “

Now, you can dig around and find a poll that appears to refute this....until you look how the questions were asked.

Americans Prefer Illegal Immigrants Head Home | Center for ...
www.cis.org/americans-prefer-illegal-immigrants-head-home-results-of-national-survey - Cached
A new poll using neutral language — and avoiding the false choice of ... finds that
most Americans want illegal immigrants to return to their home counties, rather ...


28 posted on 03/21/2013 3:12:49 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

No need to deport.
1. Control the border, stop the bleeding.
2. Punish anyone who employs illegals, and mean it.
3. Cut off any government aid.

Many will leave. When we catch our breath we can decide how to proceed with some form of legalization of those who stay, like requirements to not be a public burden, criminal record, useful skills etc.


54 posted on 03/21/2013 4:15:15 PM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

What you said:

This is a real tough one for conservatives.

What you meant:

This is a real tough one for RINOs and the GOPe who want to win any presidential primaries while not getting primaried themselves.

Rand is not trying to chart a middle course. Both the democrats and the RINOs have been running things to the left so long that even Rand Paul’s position is still to the left. If rounding people up and deporting them is to the right, then letting them self deport is the middle course. Any path to anything other than the illegals home country is a commie leftist path.

I don’t understand what it is with you GOPe types. You keep saying it is about rounding people up when you know full well that one of your own, Eisenhower, showed everyone how to do this years ago. It was simple and it worked. Remove the incentive for being here. They will leave on their own.


63 posted on 03/22/2013 1:00:35 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: JohnPDuncan
If any Republican runs nationally on a promise to deport the illegals and their families they will lose.

As opposed to those who run on an amnesty platform and lose?

Since we have not had a viable candidate that ever proposed the un-amnesty position, how do you know?

64 posted on 03/22/2013 1:44:57 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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