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To: Nowhere Man
basically Lincoln freed the slaves to stick it to the South, it was just a tool to do that.

Lincoln's Emancipation didn't free any slaves except those in states "in open rebellion." It was about turning the war into a moral platform on slavery so that no European power -- especially England, which had been waffling -- would dare come in on the side of the South. So it was less concerned with liberating slaves than it was about playing a powerful political trump card, one Lincoln had not dared play earlier lest he risk losing the "border states" like Kentucky and Missouri.

With the Union losing right and left and France and Russia giving serious thought to recognizing the Confederacy -- something they didn't risk doing without England's support -- Lincoln had to find some way to forestall the foreign intervention that would have tipped the war in the South's favor.

"Egalitarian" France and "enlightened" England could not justify entry into a war to defend human slavery.

184 posted on 03/24/2013 10:23:58 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
Iron Jack: "Lincoln's Emancipation didn't free any slaves except those in states 'in open rebellion'. "

In 1862, 90% of all slaves lived in those states "in open rebellion".

Iron Jack: "It was about turning the war into a moral platform on slavery so that no European power -- especially England, which had been waffling -- would dare come in on the side of the South."

Partially true.
But the larger reason was: the entire Confederacy consisted of only five million whites supported by nearly four million slaves.
So every Confederate slave freed and put to work for the Union was a two-fer -- South down one, North up one.
And abolition added another moral dimension to the war.
Therefore, even though abolition was not on the Republican 1860 platform, the logic of war made it a necessity.

187 posted on 03/24/2013 12:13:18 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: IronJack
Lincoln's Emancipation didn't free any slaves except those in states "in open rebellion." It was about turning the war into a moral platform on slavery so that no European power -- especially England, which had been waffling -- would dare come in on the side of the South. So it was less concerned with liberating slaves than it was about playing a powerful political trump card, one Lincoln had not dared play earlier lest he risk losing the "border states" like Kentucky and Missouri.

The UK got a lot of its cotton from the Confederacy and normalizing relations with the Confederacy would have restored that supply if the UK and CSA teamed up to break the union blockade. However, the UK found another place for growing cotton, Egypt.
188 posted on 03/24/2013 12:47:54 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: IronJack
France and Russia giving serious thought to recognizing the Confederacy

You are right about France. But Russia was pro-Union throughout the war.

199 posted on 03/24/2013 8:01:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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