[AngelesCrestHighway]

Muddy water is industrial pollution???...Asshats for the environment please get a grip!

[jazusamo]

The enviro-nazis don't miss a trick when it comes to shutting down business and industry. As one commenter posted, the wackos should be forced to pay all court costs from the free money they bilk from their enviro donors.

[Uncle Miltie]

Crap.

More dead fish.

I hate environmental idiots as much as the next Freeper.

But runoff from loggers has (in my estimation) killed more fish than all the nets and hooks ever used.

You see, the silt from the runoff clogs the loose gravel spawning beds. The eggs suffocate.

I don’t mind that loggers log. It’s their land, and their tree. I don’t mind if they cut down every single tree they own.

But the moment their effluent comes into MY (read: OUR) river, they may not send their crap downstream.

The equivalent is if your neighbor’s septic system was directly routed to the property line, and spilled over onto your property. You’d rightly be pissed. He’s welcome to his effluent, and keep it controlled and managed on his property. But the moment his crap comes onto your lawn, it’s actionable.

Same with loggers. If they can control their dirt, I don’t care how many trees they take down. Just keep your damned dirt out of the salmon spawning beds. The loggers have killed so many millions already, they should have to do what we do in our yards: Keep your crap to yourself.

(In pure conservative economic terms, the issues are “free rider,” and “externality.” It is not a free market principle to allow free riders to externalize their costs onto others.)

[lacrew]

I’ve filled out 3 permits this week....you have no idea how regulated ‘erosion’ is.