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To: zeestephen

You can wish anything you want. Hard cold fact is you got Obama for 4 more years AND You got more democrats in Senate and House. Learn to live with it. The losers of elections become powerless and irrelevant.

In order to further the agenda, first you have to win elections.


63 posted on 03/21/2013 6:28:55 PM PDT by entropy12 (The republic is doomed cuz people have figured out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: entropy12
entropy,

I'm sure that's a great response to somebody’s comment.

Just not my comment.

67 posted on 03/22/2013 12:09:12 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: entropy12

How good do you really think a remotely conservative GOP can do with Hispanics?

Let’s suppose Paul and Rubio manage to mollify Hispanics on immigration, and remove that as a reason lations have to vote Democrat. But what about all of the other reasons? Hispanics overwhelmingly support obamacare. Hispanics are widely supportive of more gun control. Hispanics express disturbing levels of hostility towards capitalism. Hispanics express support for bigger government. Which is all to say that Hispanics are overall a liberal group. They’re natural Democrats. It’s distressing to hear so many Republicans (like Paul) repeat the myth that Hispanics are natural conservatives. If this is so, then why haven’t they injected even the slightest bit of conservatism in the Democratic party? Why is the state where their power is perhaps the greatest - California - increasingly left wing as their power grows?

So even if we manage to remove immigration as an issue (which apparently can only be done by agreeing to amnesty and ever more mass legal immigration), and ‘soften our tone’, why would Hispanics (and Asians) move to us in large numbers when they still side with the Democrats on most issues?

And to one of kabar’s points, so what if we manage to pander our way back to shameless panderer George W’s 40% showing with Hispanics in 2004? Maybe that would make a difference in a close race in the near future. But eventually the sheer absolute numbers would overwhelm a relative increase. Losing 60-40 with 50 million people is worse than 70-30 with 20 million.

And therein lies the tragedy of it all. If the GOP had ended mass immigration when it had the chance, then it could still easily win with only about 60% of the white vote.

But that’s the past. What to do now? I’d rather go down fighting trying to enact conservative immigration reform. I think the GOP should offer Americans a real choice. Contrast a call to end mass immigration with the Democrats plan to push our population to over 500 million by mid century. Maybe it would fail, but if successful at least it would give conservatives a fighting chance going forward, demographically speaking.


70 posted on 03/22/2013 10:51:41 PM PDT by Aetius
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