Posted on 03/18/2013 12:12:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Support for gay marriage reached a new high in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, marking a dramatic change in public attitudes on the subject across the past decade. Fifty-eight percent of Americans now say it should be legal for gay and lesbian couples to wed.
That number has grown sharply in ABC News/Washington Post polls, from a low of 32 percent in a 2004 survey of registered voters, advancing to a narrow majority for the first time only two years ago, and now up again to a significant majority for the first time.
Most Americans, moreover, say the U.S. Constitution should trump state laws on gay marriage, a question now before the U.S. Supreme Court. And in another fundamental shift just 24 percent now see homosexuality as a choice, down from 40 percent nearly 20 years ago. Its a view that closely relates to opinions on the legality of same-sex marriage.
Intensity of sentiment about gay marriage also shows considerable change in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates. In 2004, strong opponents outnumbered strong supporters by a broad 34 percentage points. Today strong supporters are ascendant, outnumbering strong opponents by 11 points.
CHANGE Results of this survey extend evidence of a remarkable transformation in public attitudes. Views on basic social issues often move slowly, if at all. Support for gay marriage, though, has gone from 47 percent to todays 58 percent in just the last three years culminating a period of change first endorsed by some state courts, then by some political figures, notably with Hillary Clinton expressing support for same-sex marriage today, and Barack Obama doing the same last May, a position he went on to underscore in his second inaugural address in January.
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“but still when we put it on the ballot it fails? hmmmmm”
Except when it doesn’t. And last election, it went 4-for-4, a clean sweep everywhere it was on the ballot.
Plus there’s California, where it passed once with a strong majority, then again eight years later in a relative squeaker, and now I don’t know anyone who can suggest with a straight face that it would pass at all.
Better we face reality as it is, rather than kidding ourselves (again!) that the polls are somehow “skewed”. I’ve been saying for years that ballot results aren’t our strongest argument anyway, because they won’t always go our way. We need stronger arguments.
Some years back gays, I believe it was in New Jersey, tried to pass a law lowering the age of consent. NAMBLA openly pushes for sex with young boys and if anyone says that only some gays do that they should be asked whether they have ever heard a homosexual in the media denounce NAMBLA or the chickenhawks. They make a lot of noise about everything else but they are strangely silent on this issue.
Why is it that organized gayness has been pushing the Boy Scouts to accept gay scout masters and gay eagle scouts? They know that this is a danger to young boys but they do not care about them, they only care about their selfish agenda. This alone should make us disbelieve that they are all about goodness and light as they try so often to portray themselves.
Yeah, West VA is a strange bird. It is maybe the most conservative state to not have an amendment. Do they have a popular vote process there? The legislature failed to pass an amendment in 2009 if I recall, but I think they are a really long way from accepting ‘gay marriage.’
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If gays are as much as 1% of the population, they are easily 22% of the responses in polls. If they are 2%, they are 44% of the responses and if they are 3%, they are 66% of the poll responses.
So, do you imagine the homosexual lobby, the abortion industry svengalis, and the National Education Association would lose the opportunity to literally become the voice of America?
That's the source of the surprise turnaround~and it explains why polling is dead as a science in the determination of public opinion.
Everybody knows that ~ PEW, Post/ABC, etc. ~ all of them.
I pfind myself moving in the opposite direction of this poll. The Left has simply immersed us in gay culture to make Americans more acclimated to gays. I really don’t care if someone is gay but government sanctioned gay marriage would be a disaster.
I did the same thing when i pronounced Romney's campaign DOA in March of last year.
I looked at a single instance of voting in a primary to come to the conclusion this dude was an elemental loser. That was the one right here in Virginia!n The history was hen had not been breaking 20% or 30% in a short series of primaries up against some regular Republicans. Then, his peeps in Virginia tricked things out so that he was the only guy up against Ron Paul.
What went from an exciting primary season turned into nothingness ~ outer darkness ~ the pits!
With these two alone on the ballot NOBODY wanted to vote ~ and we had an historically low turnout in a Virginia Presidential primary ~ barely 20% of the normal level of voters showed up.
Romney got about 60% of that 20%, or barely 12% of the total Republican vote that would normally be available to candidates to draw on!
HE DROPPED OFF HE PLANET. 12% that late in a primary season tells everyone that a candidate is in some serious trouble.
The other candidates held out to the extent of their money, but for some reason the DONORS decided Romney was their boy and loaded on the big bucks. Were these guys Democrats perhaps?
As unpopular as OBAMA was, he hadn't been pulling in 12% anywhere ~ END OF STORY.
Voting, not polling, demonstrated that Obama could easily beat Romney and that's what happened.
Rest assured the Democrat campaign handlers saw that situation in Virginia the same way ~ and made sure their candidate got plenty of physical exposure in the state ~ which was very easy since Virginia was on his line of travel from almost every other appearance in the country. WOODBRIDGE, VA which isn't even a real town, BECAME FAMOUS as a major candidate stop!!!!
You haven't been following things very well have you. All those polls that had Obama winning were based on several things ~ polling information that was discounted substantially, seat of the pants and gut feelings, and THINKING ABOUT IT A LOT and using whatever information sources outside of polls that seemed reasonable.No. You're wrong.
Even their pre-selection of a stratified sample of people to querry is subject to the same problem ~ not everybody answers their phone these days ~
So don't try to tar me with that one.
Frankly, I had some serious difficulty figuring out what most of those folks were saying ~ it was totally divorced from actual statistical sampling practice, and it didn't even have the best features of augury ~ a high pressure hose to wash off the pigeon poop after you'd examined it.
You and Romney have a lot in common, then.
The winning pollsters looked at their trendlines state by state, and recalling that Obama won in 2008 while McCain drew fewer votes than George Bush before him, simply looked for deviations from the pattern. A couple of them did notice that Obama's expected vote totals were going to decline ~ but by how much they didn't know ~ after all, polling can't tell them that, but they did hit that on the head.
The unskewing guys had so much mind numbing nonsense in their heads they had no idea what it meant that Romney was pulling well among homosexuals ~ only the guys who 'trimmed' responses understood that problem ~ except Gallup which was the very company that had, in effect, solicited homosexual overload on all their polls ~ those ol'boys were answering all pollster calls! With a 9% response rate in the aggregate, each deviation from the norm is worth 11X as much as a normal poll response (that's a punn BTW, but still true). Only pollsters who knew how to back the gay overload from the results could get even a half way decent view of which way the election was going.
None of this in new, and if you're a Christian you'll know that the Bible foretold that the world would be topsy-turvy someday.
Romans 1:25: "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie..."
Common yet true aphorism: "A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it; the truth is the truth even if no one believes it." Certainly applies to "gay marriage" here.
I don't give a hoot about the polls; gay marriage is still wrong and gay relationships are still immoral and unnatural.
That’s what the Book of Revelation is all about.
Hopefully you can take comfort in this eternal quotation. It is exactly why I couldn't give a d-mn about polls.
"A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if no one believes it."
After ten solid years of the media promoting homosexuality, I'm surprised that opposition to gay marriage is as high as it is.
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