Posted on 03/14/2013 11:12:05 AM PDT by Red Badger
This doesnt prove squat about the Chinese being in Africa... it only proves that a Chinese coin was in Africa. Coins travel great distances from one hand to the next; it may have taken a hundred transactions for this coin to get from China to Africa.
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So true. The presence of that one coin proves nothing.
However, are you of the belief that the Chinese did not make it to the west coast of Africa pre-Renaissance?
I read the book a few years 6 or so years ago, so forgive me if I get some of this wrong.
The non factual parts of the story (as I have read) are the parts that discuss voyages beyond Africa. I’ve not seen (that I can think of) anything disputing that the Chinese got to Africa.
Just my recollection, so I will eat the words if I’ve misremembered.
How do they know it was Kenyan? Did they see the coin’s birth certificate ?
And no, I’m not a “coiner”
/sarc
Wow! A big Chinese ship like that must have used a lot of African slaves.
The island is Kenyan, not the coin.........
No, those were from Columbia..........;^)
From your personal stash in Columbia, Mo?
Cheng Ho was a Muslim who had been castrated by the Ming Chinese--so he isn't one of Obama's ancestors.
Map includes Greenland, Australia, New Zealand, and Antarctica. Very interesting.
Not particularly. I don't know enough about the history and pre-history of that part of the world to have formed an opinion on the matter.
Guaranteed strong pots, with no stems or seeds that you don’t need...........
I don’t know why it would; there was certainly a labor surplus in China, so the cost benefit of slave import probably wouldn’t pencil out.
It was either a result of Zheng He's expedition, or trade and exchange of hands, etc.
Did you guys know that, IIRC, Zheng He's expedition was sparked by the curiosity brought about by the Arab traders, hugging coastal waters past India and on around Siam, up the coast to China an Korea? That contact with these traders caused the Chinese to become curious?
The Chinese sent out Zheng He to reverse-engineer the course, find out what was back there (Saudi Arabia? Africa? India?) Good thing the Chinese later saw little point in all that wasteful spending and abandoned the project. (Any parallel to American space program cut by Obama?)
Don't believe me?
1. Korea has Muslims, brought about by contact centuries ago with the Muslims.
2. Indonesia is the largest Muslim nation in the world. Brought about by contact centuries ago with the Muslims.
3. The Phillippines also has a Muslim population.
Yep, Muslim traders hugged the coastline and made it that far.
Muslim traders also hugged the coasts and brought trade down the east coast of Africa to the Africans in those areas. Likely also gave them the alphabetic script they use as well.
It's possible that the Chinese coin in E. Africa came from the Chinese, tracing back the route of the evil greedy 1% banksters...uh, sorry, too much TV.
Sauron (You get the picture. History is fascinating!)
A statement open to mis-interpretation. China had small trade going on with the west coast of North America, in the late 600's A.D. There are ancient Chinese documents of such trade from that period, describing flora and fauna of what is now Mexico. That's 800 years before Europeans explored.
Indeed. The problem is that there are differing accounts of history, depending on the culture telling it. Truth is often obscured by being overwhelmed by inaccurate accountings. History as recorded and told by Chinese, differs from what is told by westerners. A lot of history is not recorded in written fashion (an example are verbal stories passed down by American Indians). Heck, there are news accounts out now that the Wright Brothers flight was not the first, but took place almost three years after a German-American first accomplished a flight. The Wright Brothers had better publicists. History is rife with inaccuracies.
Could a rusty coin re-write Chinese-African history?
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I think you just coined a new term :-)
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