Illegitimacy is only one of the (many) reasons to put sanctions on fornication. The worst of it is not that it produces illegitimate children. It's that it morally degrades even those who don't have children in the process. It makes them colder, more antiseptic people, more inclined to use other people, more disrespectful of ethics of all kinds—not just the sexual kind. It encourages in them a superficial and childish point of view: that the most important thing in this mortal existence is whether I get my jollies just now, in the way I want.
Real freedom is when your government doesn't forbid you to do the right thing. On the other hand, libertine ideas of freedom create so much chaos that they end in the destruction of both kinds of freedom.
b) Bastard adults. Perfectly performing contraception and abortion "beget" adults who believe that sex can be extracted from the general intention of faithful marriage and bearing the next generation
I see no reason to think they'll believe that any less if government invades their privacy in an attempt to prevent unmarried sex. Can you provide such a reason?
So that's a "no"?
Um, no. I just didn't understand your syntax and moved on. I figured whatever you meant would be covered in another (long) answer of mine. But trying again, if I understand you correctly: People who fornicate have been known to arrive at a new understanding of the purpose of sexuality if they hit a lot of roadblocks to fornication—especially fathers, mothers, brothers, the woman's existing children or the man's, clergy, landlords, innkeepers, local bureaucrats, and so on—that offered clues that there is a lot more at stake here than a current passion. Those roadblocks certainly began to wake me up, eventually.
Adultery, sodomy, and so on were illegal, without a peep from the Federalist Papers. They just wanted Congress out of it.
I don't recall saying or implying otherwise.
No, I don't either. I haven't seen you offer philosophical, ethical, or legal justification for any of your opinions. A few claims of cause and effect. But basically, you've just repeated your assertion that you don't want government interfering with you. It's an expression of feeling, rather than reasoning, argument, or persuasion. It doesn't deal with the civilized possibility that someone might reasonably have a different view. It's characteristic of the solipsism of fornication itself, and certainly of contraception. They both embody a denial of the reality that our actions have unseen consequences, and so, especially, do the ideas behind our actions. I think you can do better, and I pray that you do.
With government determining what "the right thing" is and isn't. You see any potential problems there? What does President 0bama, or NY Gov. Cuomo, think "the right thing" is and isn't?
Perfectly performing contraception and abortion "beget" adults who believe that sex can be extracted from the general intention of faithful marriage and bearing the next generation
I see no reason to think they'll believe that any less if government invades their privacy in an attempt to prevent unmarried sex. Can you provide such a reason?
People who fornicate have been known to arrive at a new understanding of the purpose of sexuality if they hit a lot of roadblocks to fornication—especially fathers, mothers, brothers, the woman's existing children or the man's, clergy, landlords, innkeepers, local bureaucrats, and so on—that offered clues that there is a lot more at stake here than a current passion. Those roadblocks certainly began to wake me up, eventually.
I agree that noncoercive societal roadblocks can wake one up - because one has a personal connection with the blockers. I don't believe the same applies to local bureaucrats; I'd be interested to know what roadblocks local bureaucrats raised for you, and how much of your awakening was honestly due to those local bureaucrats.
basically, you've just repeated your assertion that you don't want government interfering with you.
Actually, I can't find where I said that once. But since you bring it up, I don't want government interfering with me, or you, or anybody else to any greater degree than is necessary to prevent violations of individual rights. Human adults are by nature reasoning, free-willed beings, and are thus able to formulate and pursue their own ends, so it is contrary to their natures to be unwillingly used as means to others' ends - even if those ends include a genuine concern for their well-being.