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To: SamuraiScot
Real freedom is when your government doesn't forbid you to do the right thing.

With government determining what "the right thing" is and isn't. You see any potential problems there? What does President 0bama, or NY Gov. Cuomo, think "the right thing" is and isn't?

Perfectly performing contraception and abortion "beget" adults who believe that sex can be extracted from the general intention of faithful marriage and bearing the next generation

I see no reason to think they'll believe that any less if government invades their privacy in an attempt to prevent unmarried sex. Can you provide such a reason?

People who fornicate have been known to arrive at a new understanding of the purpose of sexuality if they hit a lot of roadblocks to fornication—especially fathers, mothers, brothers, the woman's existing children or the man's, clergy, landlords, innkeepers, local bureaucrats, and so on—that offered clues that there is a lot more at stake here than a current passion. Those roadblocks certainly began to wake me up, eventually.

I agree that noncoercive societal roadblocks can wake one up - because one has a personal connection with the blockers. I don't believe the same applies to local bureaucrats; I'd be interested to know what roadblocks local bureaucrats raised for you, and how much of your awakening was honestly due to those local bureaucrats.

basically, you've just repeated your assertion that you don't want government interfering with you.

Actually, I can't find where I said that once. But since you bring it up, I don't want government interfering with me, or you, or anybody else to any greater degree than is necessary to prevent violations of individual rights. Human adults are by nature reasoning, free-willed beings, and are thus able to formulate and pursue their own ends, so it is contrary to their natures to be unwillingly used as means to others' ends - even if those ends include a genuine concern for their well-being.

176 posted on 03/20/2013 12:34:09 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Actually, I can't find where I said that once. . .

It's all you have said. You're obviously intelligent, but you write as if you have very little worldly experience, and little experience of being responsible for anything besides yourself. And you don't seem to have absorbed any philosophy anywhere—other people's thought and reasoning. I'm sorry, this is unproductive. You haven't yet learned to think.

177 posted on 03/20/2013 2:47:20 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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