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To: wardaddy; manc
And pot and heroin are not alike whatsover...pot is not an escape drug
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You must have smoked some very ineffective pot. If it isn't ‘an escape drug’, then what is it? One hit and your mind is in a different place. Get good and stoned and your perspective changes on everything. Think about the impersonations people do of people smoking pot. “Hey man, you ever think about how belly button lint gets in there?” Manc, you are completely correct in your perspective on pot. It's especially insidious because defenders, like the otherwise intelligent folks here, make it out to be relatively harmless. And these views get passed on to our children.
149 posted on 03/12/2013 9:04:37 AM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps
One hit and your mind is in a different place.

Really? You must have access to some seriously impressive weed.

151 posted on 03/12/2013 9:09:08 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: bramps

agree with all of that.


158 posted on 03/12/2013 9:30:27 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: bramps
make it out to be relatively harmless

I never said it was harmless did I?

But i think it is no worse that drinking and in some ways less so. I am pretty sure that one cannot OD and die from smoking too much weed nor that a chronic pattern of use will kill one in quite the same order.

My best friend ever was a drunk from college till late 30s when his pancreas gave out and is now on doctor medications as a substitute his pancreas can handle

he would lie in motel beds and drink till he pissed and shit hisself and would turn yellow and get so saturated that he could be sloshed on one drink of Crown..his fav

there is simply no comparable to that with weed...couch potatoes are lazy and less motivated..yes...but not all pot smokers are like that...in fact only a few I know out of 100s in my life are like Brad Pitt in True Romance

I smoked pot every day from 1971 till 1984 and worked on pipelines as a spread office manager, ditch digger and whateverboy...I attended Ole Miss in the customary number of semesters and graduated 3.2 and Deans List last 4 semesters even though i screwed around first two years..then I just lost my enjoyment of it for about 6 years till 1990 when I smoked a bit more on a dare and it was like I never quit...that lasted about 4 months and I just quit...no real reason just not a priority..like now..it's still not but if my wife wanted to privately late at night just she and I preferably sin ropas...I'd go for it a little...it works great with sex...which brings me to..

Escape...I don't see it as escape....you have smoked it I assume unlike many of the weed loathers here....pot for me just made me worry more about what ever was bugging me...pot is sort of unique really...closest thing might be stronger psychotropics but only if one ingests huge amounts of pot..like in Brownies...that is excessive...I did that once with Ole Miss govt plantation weed...wished I had not for about 4 hours

anyhow ..real escape dope is alcohol, high dose opiates, tranquilizers, benzodiazapines and sedatives...maybe Cocaine for how ever brief...but not pot...pot heightens stuff and makes one kinda silly giddy and then sorta dull and lethargic...it always made me worry more about a problem...lol...likely why it doesn't mix so well with running a lot of business, 5 kids and dealing with wifey

when I started smoking it as a kid it was dirt weed no doubt..maybe 2% THC...then came Colombian and Jamaican and Michiochan and Guerro and Oaxaca and then Sensemilla skunk and so forth..up to in my day maybe 11-14% THC weed ...plenty enough to stone the snot out of you....but it sure didn't help me forget pressing issues...though it might have made me put them off a few hours...super weed and oil today is even higher but that hardly means my weed was ineffective

I think folks here that hate pot fall into to two camps:

they have seen it as part of a path of more serious drug problems...given they are both illegal I will cede that is a commonality but the first drug I took was alcohol and nicotine...anyhow..it's understandable...I have a chronic stoner in my family...and yes that is harmful...not as bad as the alcoholism I described before but it is not "harmless"

the second group is those who hate pot smokers and think all are leftists and government dependents...well no one here in their right mind would accuse me of being a liberal...I am to the right of most here on everything...especially sensitive crap but I'm southern...and most whites here are not liberals ...in my homestate whites vote almost 90% GOP...and a bunch of them smoke pot to some degree...nearly all the 50 or pot smokers I know today at 55 years of age are conservative like me...and they run from 20s to one that is 80 years of age...struggling to preserve a traditional family and God and guns America..bitter clingers

maybe outside the South or in Austin..it's different ..and likely it is..but I know conservative and libertarian pot growers in Humboldt and Trinity counties in Kali...guys with guns and American flags and pickups...ditto Northern Michigan and so forth

it's not just hippies anymore...but I am not pro legalization..more just light penalties for possession or moderate cultivation...if I did think it was totally harmless I wouldn't;t say that would I...but yes...put me on record I think it;s the least harmful of all the psychoactive crap we have available today short of coffee and tobacco

and yes...I do think the WOD has cost us liberty...no question of that

217 posted on 03/12/2013 11:04:30 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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