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The Coming Collapse of the Middle East?
Slate ^ | March 11, 2013 | Fred kaplan

Posted on 03/12/2013 5:45:40 AM PDT by lbryce

On Feb. 26, 2003, President George W. Bush gave a speech at the American Enterprise Institute, spelling out what he saw as the link between freedom and security in the Middle East. “A liberated Iraq,” he said, “can show the power of freedom to transform that vital region” by serving “as a dramatic and inspiring example … for other nations in the region.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bush; hussein; iraq; iraqwar
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To: cuban leaf; USAF80

unmentioned and never considered are those who are not fanatic wackos. They are the body of Islam.


41 posted on 03/12/2013 8:35:05 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: cuban leaf

Crappola,
Israel should just Nuke about 15 or 20 moosie population centers and be over with it.


42 posted on 03/12/2013 8:44:02 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: bert

True but they can be. The religion creates what we call wackos or fanatics. This is why all the typical Muslim countries have bans on outside information. They keep them dumb and feed them a bunch of lies.


43 posted on 03/12/2013 8:44:25 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: bert

unmentioned and never considered are those who are not fanatic wackos. They are the body of Islam.


I’ve worked beside quite a few of them. Problem is that I see every single one of them as sleepers.


44 posted on 03/12/2013 8:44:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

I have been thinking about this problem since 9/11/01.

We may have to resort to either a blockade and immigration prohibition or colonizing territory.

How about the next time we are attacked, we ID the offending country and take some of their territory? Perhaps a port or resource-rich area? If they keep attacking us, we take more territory.

We make it clear that they are never getting the land back and they will lose more and more until they make permanent peace with the rest of the world.

We need to make war more expensive for them than it is for us.

Its either that or nuke the site from orbit.

Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s1MspmfEwg


45 posted on 03/12/2013 10:25:31 AM PDT by darth
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To: cuban leaf

We called them Al Qaida wannabees. These are the guys who would be coming over the wire at night but your best buddy during the day. Islam is too much of an influence in their lives.


46 posted on 03/12/2013 10:25:54 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: PIF

I agree with you about wiping Mecca [and the other holy sites for that matter]. Could the mudslimes hate us any worse than they already do? Would their pagan god be discredited? Would they bow to a smoking crater? There’s only one way to find out. Perhaps we could appease the squeamish by using conventional bombs instead of nukes. As other posters have said, killing 2 billion pagans isn’t feasible. Destroying their holiest shrine is.


47 posted on 03/12/2013 3:50:43 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic
“Could the mudslimes hate us any worse than they already do”

No. They stated that their anger would be directed towards those who deceived them, not those who revealed that allah was a false god.

“Would their pagan god be discredited?”
Yes. An all powerful omnipotent god would have not let himself be destroyed in the first place.

“Would they bow to a smoking crater?”
No. Bowing to a crater would just further their humiliation. Humiliation is a big deal in that neck of the woods/desert.

“There’s only one way to find out. Perhaps we could appease the squeamish by using conventional bombs instead of nukes.”

Appease and lose, nuke and win - your choice. In any case, once the jihads kill enough of the vocal squeamish, the hand wringing will cease.

48 posted on 03/13/2013 6:26:49 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: henkster

“Going into Afghanistan was a good idea, so long as it was to depose the Taliban...”

During the Cold War we used to know how to overthrow their dictator and put one of our dictators in their place. Once the Taliban were overthrown, our guys were done. From there we could have thrown $$ and weapons that way and let the CIA handle things. Ah well, woulda, coulda, shoulda.


49 posted on 03/13/2013 12:29:22 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: darth

“...next time we are attacked, we ID the offending country and take some of their territory?”

Ok, so imagine the attack takes place and the guilty party is 75% likely to be a shadowy group of Turk and Chechin terrorists based in Hamburg Germany.

What territory does President Darth order the military to take?


50 posted on 03/13/2013 12:45:31 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Owl558

Garmisch?

Seriously, ID where they got their funding, training, ideology, etc.

We really need to deal with the source. The jihadis game our own system and principles to use against us. Stupid, they ain’t.

If the rules favor the enemy, CHANGE the rules.


51 posted on 03/14/2013 12:54:01 PM PDT by darth
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To: darth

“We really need to deal with the source.”

Yes, of course, and a lot of that funding comes from the Saudis. My larger point is that it isn’t always clear where their funding and training came from (ideology is a different matter). We apply % of certainty, but don’t always know for sure.


52 posted on 03/14/2013 1:24:42 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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