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To: MosesKnows
MosesKnows: "Whether it is the War of Northern Aggression or the Civil War is one’s point of view."

I don't even concede that much.
The war was only conceivably one of "Norther Aggression" if you first look at in in, say 1863: then yes, most (but not all) major battles were fought within the Confederacy.

I'm saying, if you go back to it's beginning, November 1860, when secessionists first organized their conventions: for six months thereafter every aggression was that of secessionists against the United States -- culminating in their formal declaration of war, on May 6, 1861.

The first Confederate soldier was not killed in battle until June 10, 1861.
At that point, the Union finally began to respond to the War of Southern Aggression against the United States.

MosesKnows: "A recent point of view considered the economic reasons for succession.
Taking slaves away in the South would have a similar economic effect as taking away horses and plows in the North. "

My main source on this particular discussion is James Huston's 2003 book, "Calculating the Value of Union: Slavery, Property Rights and Economic Origins of the Civil War"

Huston presents data from the 1860 census and argues that Southerners, particularly in the Deep South, were far better off in 1860 than most people understand.
Indeed, on average, they were better off than their northern cousins.

The reasons include two huge economic benefits from their "peculiar institution", slavery:

  1. Exports of cash crops like cotton and tobacco provided substantial annual incomes, and

  2. Over many decades, the values of slaves themselves steadily increased, to the point where by 1860, they were second only to the value Southern land.
    Together, land plus slaves made up over 90% of Southern wealth.

And just as today you might take out a home-equity loan on the rising value of your house, so in 1860 slave-holders took out "slave-equity" loans which allowed them to live more comfortably than, for example, average Northerners.

My point is: any disruption in that economy, reducing demand for slaves or cash crops, would bring their entire economic house crashing down -- and that was their key concern in November 1860, when Deep South secessionists first organized conventions to make declarations of disunion.

833 posted on 03/23/2013 5:34:35 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
go back to it's beginning

You point is well taken but we each approach this from a different point of view.

I think the fact that America abolished slavery in less than 80 years is reason for celebration. The end date of the effort to abolish slavery in America is 1865. However, the beginning of the effort to abolish slavery in America began before the ink was dry on either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. The founders felt that slavery would have to be abolished at some point and they started that effort virtually immediately.

There are other instances where an amendment to the Constitution granted powers to the Federal government once reserved to the states.

The 13th amendment removed the power entrusted to the States to be free or slave. The 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th, Amendment removed the power entrusted to the States to determine who can vote.

I fear that the discovery of reasons for the Civil War may trump the result of the Civil War, which was the abolition of slavery forever.

838 posted on 03/23/2013 1:20:47 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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