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To: JCBreckenridge
JCBreckenridge: "Yes, Lincoln broke laws."

We can say Lincoln broke no laws because: Congress eventually approved everything he did.
But more to my point: unlike Jefferson Davis, Lincoln broke no laws for the purpose of destroying the US Constitution.
Instead, all of Lincoln's efforts were to save the Union and its Constitution.

BJK: “Union never formally declared war.”

JCBreckenridge: "What do we call invasions conducted without a formal declaration of war?"

In all of history, formal declarations of war have only been used between nation-states, never to defeat rebellions.
That's why the Confederacy declared war on the United States -- because it wanted to show that it too was a nation-state.
The Union did not declare war because it considered the Confederacy a rebellion.

463 posted on 03/15/2013 1:59:11 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

“Congress eventually approved everything he did”

That’s a bullshit definition. Doesn’t matter what congress approves or not - he suspended Habeaus Corpus - he declared war on a loyal state of the union. If Obama were to do what Lincoln did, you’d be crying tyranny. Which is what it was.


469 posted on 03/15/2013 8:59:56 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: BroJoeK

“The Union did not declare war because it considered the Confederacy a rebellion.”

Doesn’t matter what the Union ‘believes’. Lincoln invaded. Virginia defended their own sovereignty.


470 posted on 03/15/2013 9:01:25 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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