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The Great Ammunition Myth - The government is not planning a violent putdown of civil unrest.
National Review Online ^ | March 5, 2013 | Charles C. W. Cooke

Posted on 03/05/2013 4:31:55 PM PST by neverdem

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To: FewsOrange

Well, just because I’m paranoid, doesn’t mean that they really aren’t out to get me.

As a Bircher, I got ridiculed for years. (Still do) “Oh, go put your tin foil hat on and sit in the corner! Stupid Bircher!”

Now, when all we predicted has come to pass, and we sit in the crumbling ruins of our once great nation, those same damn CONSERVATIVE fools who laughed at and impugned us, now sit and bleat “But Who Kneeww? Oh, Just who Kneww??”

Glenn Beck anyone? Rush Lintball? etc.

Senator McCarthy was lambasted for YEARS. He is still maligned today by our so-called CONSERVATIVE clowns who are so much smarter.

Hey, I remember when the Soviet Union finally collapsed and we got access to their classified records, we found that ALGER HISS REALLY WAS A FRIGGIN SPY AND MCCARTHY STRUCK TERROR INTO THE HEART OF THE KGB!

Don’t read about THAT conspiracy born out to be true, now do we.

The FACT is that the fedgov is on a massive buying spree for ammo, the local shelves are bare in my neck of the woods. And that damnable supply and demand thingee that pushes prices through the roof has kicked in. Box of .40 jacketed are in the ionosphere. That’s NOT a damn “tin foil hat conspiracy!” That’s FACT. Prove it to yourself, go down and see what’s left on the shelf!

I shouldn’t get so worked up. After all, I’ve been called “the tin foil hat crowd” by CONSERVATIVES for about 40 plus years.

The only thing that keeps my head up, is that I’ve EARNED the name “ENEMY” from the statists, collectivists, progressives and other SATANISTS.

And I’m proud of that achievement.


41 posted on 03/05/2013 5:22:25 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: brent13a

That works out to hundreds of millions of extra dollars of expense.

Man, I wish I had their ammo budget.


42 posted on 03/05/2013 5:22:51 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: brent13a
And maybe every armed government agent is a trained handgun sniper that will kill with every shot he/she takes

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OMG, that was too funny. The only people in the Federal Service that are capable of doing that aren't going to be participating in any gun confiscation or indiscriminate killing of civilians.

43 posted on 03/05/2013 5:24:15 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: neverdem

I wash my hands of the whole thing.....it is now entirely invenereal to me !!!!! and I’m happy everything’s hunky do-re-me!

Semper Semper!
*****


44 posted on 03/05/2013 5:25:37 PM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: neverdem

Oh good. Nevermind then. All is well.


45 posted on 03/05/2013 5:25:42 PM PST by servo1969
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To: Uncle Miltie
That works out to hundreds of millions of extra dollars of expense.
Man, I wish I had their ammo budget.


As do I. As it stands, our PD has to fight just to get ammo to practice with. Some of us buy our own agency-approved ammo for duty carry.
46 posted on 03/05/2013 5:26:42 PM PST by brent13a
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To: brent13a

While DHS does have some armored vehicles, they aren’t getting 2,700 more of them - the purchase of 2,712 vehicles is by the Department of the Navy for the USMC.


47 posted on 03/05/2013 5:27:28 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: 1rudeboy

If people would actually read the articles, DHS hasn’t already bought billions of rounds.

It’s an option to buy that many over a 5 year period, and it’s almost certain the full purchases will not actually occur.

The problem with debunking all this nonsense, despite the obssesive desire of the kooksters to believe this, is that debunking it relies on deep understanding of tedious, boring, and insanely complex government procurement techniques.


48 posted on 03/05/2013 5:30:37 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: 1rudeboy

If people would actually read the articles, DHS hasn’t already bought billions of rounds.

It’s an option to buy that many over a 5 year period, and it’s almost certain the full purchases will not actually occur.

The problem with debunking all this nonsense, despite the obssesive desire of the kooksters to believe this, is that debunking it relies on deep understanding of tedious, boring, and insanely complex government procurement techniques.


49 posted on 03/05/2013 5:30:42 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Ajnin
And maybe every armed government agent is a trained handgun sniper that will kill with every shot he/she takes
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OMG, that was too funny. The only people in the Federal Service that are capable of doing that aren't going to be participating in any gun confiscation or indiscriminate killing of civilians.


Exactly.
That's why, even if DHS ordered 2 billion rounds of ammo I wouldn't sweat it that much.
Just how much "trigger time" do you think your average balding fat male or ugly bull-dyke female "Special Agent" gets each year?
They may be allotted 1,000 rounds per year but a minuscule proportion of all these agents will ever actually be proficient with their weapons.
50 posted on 03/05/2013 5:31:09 PM PST by brent13a
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To: Strategerist
While DHS does have some armored vehicles, they aren’t getting 2,700 more of them - the purchase of 2,712 vehicles is by the Department of the Navy for the USMC.

A perfect explanation. I hope they're finally replacing the Amtracks (AAV's). Dear gawd they were already ancient when I was in the Marine Infantry 98-02.
51 posted on 03/05/2013 5:33:49 PM PST by brent13a
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To: Uncle Miltie
Why hollow-points?

Seriously? Not even to mention it is the most common type of ammunition for handguns, it is most effective in both defensive situations as well as a safety issue as it helps reduce over-penetration (going through the target and hitting other targets, etc). There is nothing unusual at all about hollow points.

52 posted on 03/05/2013 5:34:19 PM PST by mnehring
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To: neverdem

Because they NEED that many hollowpoint bullets for target practice. Or to ship to Mexico’s narcoterrorists.


53 posted on 03/05/2013 5:34:54 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Strategerist

Exactly. Also, the numbers are in the same amount pattern as purchases as under Bush. The only difference is they are putting in 5 year orders instead of year over year orders. This has been creating bottle necks in the system (and thus the shortages you are seeing).


54 posted on 03/05/2013 5:36:26 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Strategerist

Just like a conservative economist once mentioned on a blog I read: by the time you compile the numbers to comprehensively refute whatever BS was posted, the idiot’s gone and posted it in twenty more places.


55 posted on 03/05/2013 5:37:13 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Strategerist
If people would actually read the articles, DHS hasn’t already bought billions of rounds.
It’s an option to buy that many over a 5 year period, and it’s almost certain the full purchases will not actually occur.
The problem with debunking all this nonsense, despite the obssesive desire of the kooksters to believe this, is that debunking it relies on deep understanding of tedious, boring, and insanely complex government procurement techniques.


That's why my counter-arguments have included that it would 500-1,000 rounds allotted per agent, per year.
Only when you multiply that by the vast number of special agents and such, does it sound like an alarming amount.....logical deduction is not a friend of conspiracy theorists.
56 posted on 03/05/2013 5:37:28 PM PST by brent13a
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To: a fool in paradise

The arguments are specious. The author implies that the total square miles of US national forest should be proportional to the number of bullets needed. A billion rounds of ammo and 2700 armored vehicles is something you invade Poland with.


57 posted on 03/05/2013 5:38:29 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Uncle Miltie
Is the gubmint stupid buying hollow points for putting holes in paper?

Actually, no, not really. Train as you have to fight, and you will fight as you have trained.

Or some such wisdom. Too old to remember where I learned that.

There IS a difference in outcome between practice rounds and jacketed hollow point rounds. Practice with it, (hollow point) you will know it intimately when the SHTF.

If you can AFFORD to use the real deal in practice, why wouldn't you?

Fedgov isn't stupid, they are just outrageously arrogant in that they spend taxpayer money with laughter and frivolity. Just like the King's men.

Time to grab the scruff of their necks and force the bureaKaRATZ to heel.

58 posted on 03/05/2013 5:40:37 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: brent13a
It somewhat ironic that most FReepers would buy 1,000 rounds of ammunition in a heartbeat. And probably brag about it.

Don't let Alex Jones know.

59 posted on 03/05/2013 5:41:12 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: ConjunctionJunction

They probably do. In order to take advantage of step ladder pricing and to simplify the contract process, they probably only ordered one type of any given caliber of ammunition.

It also helps with storage since there is standardization in the ammuntion type.


60 posted on 03/05/2013 5:42:58 PM PST by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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