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The Great Ammunition Myth - The government is not planning a violent putdown of civil unrest.
National Review Online ^ | March 5, 2013 | Charles C. W. Cooke

Posted on 03/05/2013 4:31:55 PM PST by neverdem

Last year, the Social Security Administration put out a procurement request for 174,000 rounds of “.357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition,” prompting a few on the Internet to work themselves up into something of a frenzy. “It’s not outlandish,” claimed Paul Joseph Wilson, one of a team of professional paranoiacs on the Infowars website, “to suggest that the Social Security Administration is purchasing the bullets as part of preparations for civil unrest.” “Something strange is going on,” harmonized Breitbart’s William Bigelow. Even Mark Levin was concerned. “I know why the government’s arming up,” he deduced. “It’s not because there’s going to be an insurrection; it’s because our society is unraveling.”

The Social Security Administration’s purchase was by no means an anomaly. A year earlier, the unlikely pair of the Department of Agriculture (320,000 rounds) and the National Weather Service (46,000 rounds) had both put out tenders for ammunition. And slightly less odd, but still staggering, were the FBI’s professed intention to purchase up to 100 million “hollow point” rounds and the Department of Homeland Security’s concurrent request for 450 million rounds. The Department of Education got in on the weapons-supplying spree, too, purchasing “27 Remington Brand Model 870 police 12-gauge shotguns.”

The first question: “Why?” The second: “Should we be worried?”

The appeal of this story is obvious, and that some citizens keep track of such things shows an admirable vigilance. But while a healthy suspicion of government serves these United States better than critics presume, facts remain the stubborn things that they always have been, and skepticism is no virtue at all when it proves impervious to reason. Those who are vexed that the state is stocking up on ammunition — and troubled by fears that this might be a step toward D.C.’s assault on the citizens for whom it works — can relax for now. Whatever the federal government has become, it is not yet plotting violence against the people.

Nonetheless, one could reasonably ask why the Social Security Administration would need any ammunition at all. Are the elderly especially unruly these days? Jonathan L. Lasher, in the SSA’s external-relations department, explained to the Huffington Post that the ammunition is “for the 295 agents” in the outfit’s office of inspector general “who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.” Divide the rounds by the number of agents, and you get about 590 per agent; in a given year, that’s about ten rounds a week. “Most will be expended on the firing range,” Lasher continued.

Okay. And why does the USDA need 320,000 rounds? Because it runs the Forest Service, which covers “155 national forests” and “20 national grasslands” on a total of “193 million acres of land.” As well as agents in the field, the outfit has a law-enforcement unit based in Washington, D.C., whose responsibility it is to enforce federal laws and regulations. In context, those 320,000 rounds look a lot less threatening: If the U.S. Forest Service were to distribute ammunition at the same rate as the Social Security Administration, they would have enough for just 542 agents — not bad for an organization that covers an area the size of Pakistan (or twice the size of Japan or Germany).

It’s all about scale. Forty-six thousand rounds also sound like a lot for the National Weather Service. (Actually, the ammo was requested by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, which is overseen by the same department.) In reality, it’s not that much. The service has only 63 armed personnel, which brings the purchase out at around 730 rounds per officer. This, suffice it to say, does not present a great threat to the Republic. As the NRA has noted, “more than a few NRA members would use that much ammunition in a weekend shooting class or plinking session.” There are enough risks to the right to bear arms and to American liberty in general, the NRA continued, without “inventing threats.”

The FBI and DHS’s apparently vast orders are deceptively presented by the conspiracy theorists. It is true that in 2011, the FBI ordered up to 100 million bullets for its 13,913 special agents (which works out to 7,187 per agent). And, yes, the Department of Homeland Security — a composite department that oversees USCIS, Customs and Border Protection, FEMA, ICE, the TSA, the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, and the National Protection Directorate — placed a request for up to 450 million rounds for its 65,000 armed personnel (which works out to 6,923 per agent).

But in the real world, ammunition is not divided up and handed out on such a basis. What is bought is stockpiled and then allocated on the basis of need. The DHS’s order is expected to last for at least five years, and it was placed up front primarily as a cost-saving measure. Moreover, as the chief of staff to Congressman Lynn Westmoreland (R., Georgia) revealed in a press release in May 2012 that was designed to calm the fears of his constituents:

DHS entered into a contract that allows them to purchase up to 450 million rounds of 40 caliber ammunition over the next five years. They cannot exceed 450 million rounds and are not required to purchase 450 million rounds. Basically, they have a tab with a manufacturer to order more rounds as they are needed over the next five years — not a one-time ammunition order.

Think of it like “that monthly trip to Sam’s Club or Costco,” he added.

The popular claim that one in five IRS agents is armed is false, too. Only 3 percent of IRS agents — 2,725 people, to be precise — are “special agents” who work on criminal cases. Also untrue, but a popular talking point: The legions of new IRS agents expected to be hired to enforce Obamacare will be armed. I am second to none in wishing that the IRS did not exist, and that, if it must, it did not have Obamacare to enforce. But that is no excuse for fearmongering, and Ron Paul’s infamous claim that the IRS was set to hire 16,500 “armed bureaucrats” in order to enforce the new health-care law, not backed up in fact, has launched a thousand deranged e-mail chains.

And the Department of Education? The Washington Post’s Valerie Strauss looked into the question of those shotguns in 2010 and received the following response from the Education Department’s Office of Inspector General:

The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law-enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms. The acquisition of these firearms is necessary to replace older and mechanically malfunctioning firearms, and in compliance with Federal procurement requirements.

Fair enough. But here one starts to sympathize with the malcontents. There is a world of difference between the FBI, Department of Homeland Security, or Forest Service and the Department of Education, and that there is no grand clandestine plan for the subjugation of America should by no means be taken to imply that every government action is acceptable. Questions do still abound: Whether it is in possession of one bullet or 1 million bullets, should the federal Department of Education be armed in the first place? If so, why? Should its OIG be investigating external fraud rather than handing it over to the police or the DOJ or the FBI? For those federal departments that play no role in combating domestic and foreign threats — such as the DoE — what would constitute a threat requiring armed confrontation with malefactors?

In 2011, a story about a Department of Education raid went the rounds. Initial versions suggested that the department had commissioned a SWAT team to break into a California home and arrest the estranged husband of a woman who had defaulted on her student loan. Mercifully, this was incorrect. There was no SWAT team involved, nor was the target being investigated for unpaid loans. But the reality was not necessarily much better. Instead, the DoE announced that it had conducted the raid itself, in pursuit of an American citizen that it suspected of “bribery, fraud, and embezzlement of federal student aid funds.” It was a disaster; the suspect no longer lived in the house, a fact that special agents eventually discovered after they had smashed in the doors at dawn, thrown the occupant’s children into a police car, and kept the suspect’s (innocent) husband in handcuffs in a hot squad car for six hours.

As the local ABC affiliate reported, in an attempt to clear up the confusion, “police officers did not participate in breaking [the target’s] door, handcuffing him, or searching his home.” Instead, the Department of Education did. Judging by their ammunition purchases, the Social Security Administration and the IRS could have done so, too. That, and not fantasies about a plan to counter phantom civil unrest, is what should concern Americans.

— Charles C. W. Cooke is an editorial associate at National Review.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; itcanthappenhere; secondamendment
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To: Strategerist
And I'M the skeptic. I lifted a finger to research the false assertions about the 2,700 MRAPs, while everyone else just eagerly lapped up Drudge and the original nutter report.

I forgot to thank you for that, by the way.

101 posted on 03/06/2013 1:31:53 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: ctdonath2

73 was meant for you, I did not see the 2 before


102 posted on 03/06/2013 6:21:00 AM PST by DBrow
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To: FewsOrange
Given that we're winding down in Afghanistan isn't it time we return to pre-9/11 security levels? Defund and eliminate the DHS. Return law enforcement duties back to the FBI and local law enforcement.

Most agencies don't need a police force and now local and state secretaries have police forces. What we see on the national level is repeated over and over again lower down.

Furthermore, even the police who are civilians call the people they protect “civilians”. They think of themselves as paramilitary. It's not a good move for a republic to have that many armed "guards".

103 posted on 03/06/2013 6:30:44 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: mnehring

Sorry, the question is: Why expensive hollow points for punching holes in paper?

Isn’t that either a huge waste of money at the range or a stockpile for use against me and thee?


104 posted on 03/06/2013 6:51:24 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
DHS has a total of 240,000 employees. If you have a source for how many of those 240,000 are armed agents, I'd love to see it.
Otherwise, what you offer isn't logical deduction. It's a guess.


I used the numbers from the article and deduced it would be similar across the board.
That is unless they've consolidated all DHS armed agents into 2 death squads with like 15 guys each or something. If that's the case then they have something like 150,000 rounds each per year to secretly ninja-kill all Tea partiers. So for me it's either use some common sense or jst go with the extreme paranoia.
105 posted on 03/06/2013 7:30:28 AM PST by brent13a
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To: lurk

357 SIG.
Basically a .40SW round necked-down to 9mm.
It was supposed to provide .357 magnum performance in an auto-loading pistol.


106 posted on 03/06/2013 8:29:30 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Uncle Miltie

It isn’t that much of a difference. Plus it may be cheaper contracting for a single type versus, multiple blocks that need separate inventory logistics. (Ie not just the cost of the bullet but managing where it goes, etc.)


107 posted on 03/06/2013 8:30:54 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Ajnin

Yep.
If you can afford it, it’s always best to practice with the exact same rounds you carry.


108 posted on 03/06/2013 8:30:54 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: FewsOrange

I thought the survival of the cockroaches would be supplemented by the survivability of Keith Richards (Rolling Stone)

I doubt anything would kill that guy...;-)


109 posted on 03/06/2013 8:45:37 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: neverdem

With the explanation in this article, I feel so much better...

/sarc

Yeah, I said it, “/sarc”!!! ;-)


110 posted on 03/06/2013 8:47:36 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: cripplecreek
I’ve got a completely rational fear that my 70 year old butterball of a postmistress is going to kick down my door, roll into the room and start shooting.

That's only "going postal", isn't it?

111 posted on 03/06/2013 9:16:44 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Why hollow-points?

'Cause they're less survivable than the FMJs?

112 posted on 03/06/2013 9:20:12 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: brent13a
Are they going to have like 3 giant parking lots in a few places around the US just full of APC's?

Hope so; it greatly simplifies our targeting.

113 posted on 03/06/2013 9:27:32 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Hog Wash


114 posted on 03/06/2013 9:30:36 AM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: JimRed

Hog Wash


115 posted on 03/06/2013 9:30:50 AM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: neverdem

I trying to listen to Rush and Rand Paul at the same time. But I will read this later.


116 posted on 03/06/2013 10:52:10 AM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: neverdem
These are not the bullets you are looking for....


I think I saw that in a movie, Obi Wan...

117 posted on 03/06/2013 10:58:56 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem
Drones, 1.6 billion rounds of ammo, MRAPS, electronic surveillance, DHS memos regarding "potential domestic terrorists", Fast and Furious, talk of killing Americans on US soil without due process, etc.

I'm sure it's all just nothing.

"You have nothing to worry about. Everyone can relax."

118 posted on 03/06/2013 11:42:49 AM PST by SIDENET
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To: FewsOrange
The author is trying to use rational arguments against a conspiracy theory.

All government perpetrated mass genocides were preceded by a conspiracy theory.

Thank goodness the dead had you to pooh-pooh their fears instead of helping them prepare for the worse just in case.

To start with seven million dead Jews owe people like you their lives literally.

If we we ever get hit by a massive asteroid the only things that will survive will be cockroaches and conspiracy theories.

So there will be two camps. People like me in the conspiracy theorist camp and people like you in the other.

119 posted on 03/06/2013 2:20:58 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: brent13a
And maybe every armed government agent is a trained handgun sniper that will kill with every shot he/she takes.

What the hell is a "handgun sniper"?

Is that a made up media term like "clips for your automatic assault pistol"?

Or is it a marketing term like "jumbo shrimp"?

Because, when you divvy up the yearly amount of allotted ammo per agent 500-1000 rounds is much much more than any TEA partier or lifelong hunter will have stockpiled.

Are you kidding? Have you ever shot a gun? Have you ever even seen a gun?

I have a minimum of 500 rounds for every caliber of gun I own which totals up to a hell of a lot more than 1000 rounds. All of my friends have the same so you are so far off base you aren't even in the same city. It might behoove you to stick with American Idol threads.

120 posted on 03/06/2013 2:29:25 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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