[Elsie]

And yes,I'm fully prepared to be banned...

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A. If you say something along the lines of “the moderators might ban me for saying this, but…” then you lost.

B. Anyone who says “well, ban me if you want to, but…” is actually saying; “in the name of a loving God, please ban me because I am losing this argument so badly that my only hope of escaping it with a shred of dignity is if I can make myself out to be some sort of martyr to free speech.”

C. If you claim to have supporting evidence available online, but instead of linking to it you say “Look it up yourself,” you lose. Similarly to the banning thing, “look it up yourself” clearly means “please please please don’t look it up yourself.” It’s an admission of failure.

D. If you invoke the name of a logical fallacy without explaining its relevance, you lose. Logical fallacies are not Harry Potter spells. You don’t just get to shout them out and wiggle your wand to make magic happen. Plus, there’s a logical meta-fallacy: Just because someone’s making an error in reasoning doesn’t mean they’re wrong.

E. If you claim to be winning, you lose. This should be self-evident: If you’re so desperate that you have to tell someone you’re winning, you’re obviously not. http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/12/alt-text-internet-arguments

 

[Gay State Conservative]

Similarly to the banning thing, “look it up yourself” clearly means “please please please don’t look it up yourself.” It’s an admission of failure.

Well,well,well...so much to respond to and so little time.OK...I'll do a little bit of the work that *you* (and others perhaps) should be doing for yourself.CanadaCare...I'll cite two of the many links I have in my favorites folder.First,waiting times in British Columbia (one of Canada's most heavily populated provinces) for a coronary artery bypass graft (known in medicine as a "Cabbage).That's the operation that's done,almost always as an emergency procedure here in the US...emergency meaning waiting hours rather than days,weeks or months.I know this because I worked for 20 years in a world famous Boston hospital.Click on the link provided.Then click on the chest area of the "person" you'll see.Then there's a choice of procedures...choose "cardiac" and then choose"coronary artery bypass graft".You'll get a list of hospitals and doctors.On that list you'll see that one can wait MORE THAN 20 WEEKS there for a procedure that's almost always done in hours here...largely because being in need of a CABG means that you're almost certainly at huge risk of having a heart attack.

OK,now another link.A link to a 2012 story in a Winnipeg newspaper telling of official government figures that were released.The article states that in Manitoba only FIFTY NINE PERCENT of people needing a hip replacement (admittedly a non "life saving" procedure) have it done within SIX MONTHS of diagnosis.I,an ordinary middle class American guy,was in the recovery room of a major Boston hospital ELEVEN BUSINESS DAYS after getting the referral from my PCP to see an orthopedic surgeon.I have more links but I don't wanna do *all* your work for ya.And yes,I understand that your response will be "if you have to use "bold" and "caps" so often...you lose!" but that's your problem.And lastly...why all the talk on my part about OsamaObamaCare? Because it ALONE was reason enough to crawl over broken glass to vote for Romney,regardless of how imperfect he might have been overall.After all,he *did* promise to fight it from Day 1...I hear him say it in Manchester,NH the evening before the election.You remember that election...it was the one where you either stayed home or voted for some clown for the "Constitution Party" who,IIRC,got ZERO Electoral Votes.

Heart surgery In British Columbia

Hip Replacements In Manitoba