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The Great Gun Debate: New Laws?
American Thinker ^ | Mar. 3, 2013 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 03/03/2013 6:03:44 AM PST by EXCH54FE

It's easy to fall into the trap that ensnares liberals, that of thinking we can legislate ourselves to utopia. This occurs to me when pondering Mr. Brett Joshpe's response to my last debate piece. In his response he very graciously states that my article contains many reasonable points, yet he also claims it has a deficiency: "[I]t never actually proposes measures - whether specific new regulations or repeal of specific existing ones - that would improve the current system," he writes.

Now, I did address remedial measures in an earlier piece, ones that would reduce the chances of school shootings without any Second Amendment infringement. I'd also suggest having armed guards - or trained, armed teachers - on school premises; if we do this to safeguard jewelry stores, pawn shops, and armored cars, it's the least we can do for our children. In the same vein, we must eliminate the suicidal and quite moronic "Gun Free Zone" signs at schools, which are nothing but an invitation to criminals. Yet all this misses the point. For Mr. Joshpe is correct: I didn't propose specific remedial measures in my debate piece. There is, however, an even larger point.

William F. Buckley once wrote, "A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so...." Why is a conservative thus disposed? Because sage souls understand that it isn't just doctors who must be mindful of the Hippocratic principle "First, do no harm." Sure, the temptation to "do something" in the heat of a tragic moment can be great; after all, it lends the illusion of remedial action, gives the impression that leaders care, and provides palliatives for people's fears - even if the "something" is a cure worse than the disease.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
It's like this: imagine some barbarians breach your borders and demand territory in Traditionland. You don't like this, but to avoid conflict give them a quarter of the land they want. But then they return a year later making the same demands - and again you cede a percentage of what's asked. Now, how long before this process ensures you have no homeland left?
1 posted on 03/03/2013 6:03:50 AM PST by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE
Or to put it another way: Suppose that in response to any Bad Thing happening, is that a new law is passed that somehow has something to do with the Bad Thing. What is the end game? I claim that Bad Things will never cease, and therefore, that the ultimate number of laws will be infinity, with unlimited compliance and enforcement costs, and a fraction of those costs as part of the whole national economy tending towards unity. Come to think of it, some of the Bad Things will be economic as a result of the expense and scope of government, leading to "reforms" that make things more "affordable." Sound familiar?
2 posted on 03/03/2013 6:12:27 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan

But, but we don’t have time to enforce the laws we have already. We need to have new laws that we can ignore but make everyone else comply with


3 posted on 03/03/2013 6:17:36 AM PST by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: EXCH54FE
I'd go for a new law--one repealing the GCA of '68, the NFA of '34, and a few other various and sundry infringements.
4 posted on 03/03/2013 6:23:02 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
What exact difference does it make exactly that shotgun barrels are 18" min and rifles 16" min?

Randy Weaver wants to know.

5 posted on 03/03/2013 6:31:17 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: EXCH54FE

Why hasn’t someone in the Congress sponsored a bill repealing the Gun Free School Zones Act?


6 posted on 03/03/2013 6:39:49 AM PST by ez (Laws only apply to little people. Criminals, politicians, and newsies are exempt.)
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To: EXCH54FE

“and again you cede a percentage”

Dane-Geld
A.D. 980-1016It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: —
“We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ‘em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: —
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: —

“We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!”


7 posted on 03/03/2013 6:44:47 AM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: EXCH54FE
It's easy to fall into the trap that ensnares liberals, that of thinking we can legislate ourselves to utopia.

They have no illusions about or desire to "legislate ourselves to utopia."

They want to pass so many laws that they legislate a criminal slave class over which they have dominion.

8 posted on 03/03/2013 7:26:31 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: ez; All
Why hasn’t someone in the Congress sponsored a bill repealing the Gun Free School Zones Act?

They have. The MSM ignored it.

Stockman Seeks Repeal of Gun-Free School Zones Law

9 posted on 03/03/2013 7:42:50 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: EXCH54FE

And to think, in 1962 Thomas J Dodd and Emaual Cellar proposed the first federal law on common firearms.

1962; “We don’t want to take away your guns, we ONLY want to register handguns! Rifles and shotguns will not be affected”.

1964: “We only want to register all your guns, not ban them! Only Army surplus guns will be banned.”

1968: “We only want to register your guns, and ban “Saturday Night Specials” and small foreign handguns along with army surplus rifles!” (They got the ban on 5 shot army surplus rifles and handguns and small foreign pistols)

1970: “We only want to ban Saturday night specials! Large handguns and rifles will not be affected!” There was also a call at this time to ban all private possession of ALL GUNS.

1976: “We only want to ban all handguns! Long guns will not be affected!”

1981: “The NRA should give up their handguns, and they can keep their rifles!”- Lee Grant on GMA

1984: “We must ban “assault Rifles, unsuitable or hunting!”

1989: George Bush bans import of some foreign made “assault rifles”.

1992: Assault rifle ban passed by Clinton.

2000: first calls to ban single shot .50 cal rifles...

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest.

Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.

So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time.

My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58

“Yes, I’m for an outright ban [on handguns].”

-Pete Shields, Chairman emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., 60 Minutes interview

Handgun Control Inc (The Brady Center) has modified their goals to include a ban on certain rifles and shotguns.


10 posted on 03/03/2013 7:56:08 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (THE SOUND OF MUSIC at the POTEET THEATRE in OKC! See our murals before they are painted over!)
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11 posted on 03/03/2013 8:38:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Paladin2

But think of how many lives those barrel length laws have saved! /sarc


12 posted on 03/03/2013 8:57:33 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Or heaven forbid if the gun had a flash suppressor or bayonet lug. The horror!


13 posted on 03/03/2013 9:22:26 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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