New York Army Vet Facing 7 Years in Prison Over Empty Ammo Magazines

http://www.theblaze.com ^ | february 23, 2013 | Madeleine Morgenstern

[Carriage Hill]

States like NY, CA, MD, DC, IL, OR etc have so many laws on their corrupt books, that you can surely bet you’re breaking *some law*, for an arrestable offense, at any one time.

[ncpatriot]

i took basic training for criminal justice and shot “Expert”. At the time, I never held gun in my life. But even tho I shot expert, I don’t feel comfortable with them.

Also, I am not strong at all. Pulling a trigger might be hard under pressure of an attack.

I have neighbor who shoots all time in his back yard. I think I will ask him for help. He is kinda an isolationist but i know his mother well which might help with any paranoia he has.
I do NOT want to put this off. It may be too late by end of yr.

[Iron Munro]

additionally, what one might call a ‘magazine’ for a Garand is technically called an “En Bloc Clip”......

Respectfully, I have never heard any knowledgaable person refer to a Garand clip as a magazine.
And I have been around Garands a long time.

[Gaffer]

I never implied it either. The uninititated might call them magazines such as a writer, and I only remarked about the clip aspect and how its main loading ability is through en bloc clips.

I also have been around Garands a long time. First time in 1968 when using them in funeral detail for returning fallen soldiers from Vietnam (before I went overseas).

Since then I’ve built and reworked a few of them to include rebarreling, timing, recrowning, and repairing various parts. I’ve amassed the customary tools and books, and I still have my best 4.

[schurmann]

Praise to Iron Munro for helping to dispel the confusion surrounding ammunition feed devices. Regret to report his illustration isn’t quite right either.

On the right, he has depicted a magazine, in this case a detachable box magazine.

What he has depicted on the left is not a “clip,” but a “charger,” or “stripper clip.” Charger is more of a British or purely military usage, while stripper clip is more common in US and civilian parlance.

A “charger” holds a number of cartridges clipped together, and is temporarily mounted to a firearm while those rounds are pushed out of the charger into the arm’s magazine by a stripping motion of the thumb - hence the term “stripper clip.” The charger is then discarded before any firing is done. If no chargers are available, most arms can be loaded with loose rounds, one by one.

A “clip” holds several cartridges together in a package, and is loaded into the firearm as a unit. It stays inside the arm, holding the rounds steady, presenting them to be fed into the chamber one by one, as the arm operates, thus forming an indispensable part of the feed system, and is discarded automatically when empty.

Any clip-fed firearm is no better than a single-shot without its clip, as individual loose cartridges cannot be loaded into it at all. A number of military rifles have employed clips: German Gewehr 1888 Commission Rifle (7.92x57 Mauser), Italian Modelo 1891 rifle and successor variants (6.5x52 Carcano), French Modele 1907 Berthier rifle and successor variants (8x50R Lebel), and - perhaps most famously - the US M1 rifle (276 Pedersen, 30-06, 7.62x51 NATO) designed by John C. Garand.

Nearly all military rifles and semiauto pistols today employ detachable box magazines, which are loaded while off the firearm, manually inserted, manually removed when empty, and retained for later re-use.

By contrast, clips and chargers are constructed much more lightly (cheaply), typically not intended for re-use, and discarded by the shooter in much the same way as are cartridge cases after firing.

It’s worth noting that the firearms industry itself does not agree on these terms and has sometimes used them quite loosely. This inexactitude has contributed to ongoing confusion on the part of gun owners, who may not know what they need when purchasing spare parts.

Remington has produced many sporting rifles that use a detachable box magazine. Early in the 20th century they were not routinely detached and could be loaded with chargers, but after WWII entirely different gun designs were introduced, using box magazines that had to be detached before they could be loaded. For years one could visit a gun store or show and find spare magazines in factory bubble-packs labeled “Magazine Clip” in bold black lettering against the green and yellow background.

[napscoordinator]

Thanks....kinda embarrassed that I got it wrong. Thank you!!!!

[Foolsgold]

'Animal Farm' is well worth should be required reading.

[OldPossum]

Did you not note the suggestions offered by several Freepers, including Key Largo?

You’re going to contact someone who you suggest is a little strange instead? Someone you think may be paranoid. Goodness gracious!

Lady, take the suggestions made and go to a reputable gun shop for good information and references as to places where you can train under expert guidance.