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To: The Grammarian

I could give you a number of Scriptures, many that show that Jesus is in fact God the Father, but not sure if it would be of any benefit to debate...Semantics even

John Chapter 1 from vs 1 for starters...In the beginning was the Word (Notice the caps on Word) and the Word was with God and the Word was God

The Word became flesh and dwelt among us...Jesus is the Word

Jesus said...those who have seen me have seen the Father, I and my father are one

In old and new Testament , Jesus is referred to as the prince of peace, the everlasting Father , King of Kings, The Great I Am etc etc

Yes I believe in John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life...basically the Gospel in the nutshell


28 posted on 02/23/2013 8:29:11 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge
I could give you a number of Scriptures, many that show that Jesus is in fact God the Father, but not sure if it would be of any benefit to debate...Semantics even

If the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is "semantics," then I'm not sure what the core beliefs of Christian doctrine are, in your estimation. What you're describing here sounds a lot like Sabellianism, also called Modalism and Patripassianism--a heresy condemned by the vast majority of Christianity since it appeared in the second or third century.

If Jesus, the Son of God, is God the Father, then why does Paul so often greet his audience in the Pauline Epistles with "Grace and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ"?

John Chapter 1 from vs 1 for starters...In the beginning was the Word (Notice the caps on Word) and the Word was with God and the Word was God

The capitalization of the word "Logos" is not present in the original Greek. You are correct though, that Jesus is the Word, and that the Word was with God, and the Word was God from the beginning. That does not mean that God the Son is God the Father.

As for Isaiah 9:6, Matthew Henry's Commentary on the passage makes the note that in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Tanakh), Jesus is the "Father of the world to come."

"He is the everlasting Father, or the Father of eternity; he is God, one with the Father, who is from everlasting to everlasting. He is the author of everlasting life and happiness to them, and so is the Father of a blessed eternity to them. He is the Father of the world to come (so the Septuagint reads it), the father of the gospel-state, which is put in subjection to him, not to the angels, Heb. 2:5 . He was, from eternity, Father of the great work of redemption: his heart was upon it; it was the product of his wisdom as the counsellor, of his love as the everlasting Father."

34 posted on 02/24/2013 1:02:36 PM PST by The Grammarian
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