The Church Doesn't Need a Revolution

Townhall.com ^ | February 23, 2013 | Kathryn Lopez

[The Grammarian]

Speaking as someone who has left organized religion, but has a daily personal walk with Jesus, I can only encourage others to do the same.

May I suggest that you read Why We Love The Church by Kevin DeYoung and Ted Kluck?

There is only 1 Holy Father and that is The Lord Jesus Christ

I think that you mean that God the Father is the Holy Father. Jesus Christ is his only begotten Son.

[saganite]

I will say that he’s an old man and everyone dies eventually. As for the rot in the priesthood, here you go.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pope-resignation-linked-gay-conclave-report-article-1.1271328#ixzz2LjP0my1x

http://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Good-Men-Liberals-Corruption/dp/0895261448

http://www.culturewars.com/2002/may02_ggm.html

[CynicalBear]

I think Jesus answered that question rather succinctly.

Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

[CynicalBear]

I think Jesus answered that question rather succinctly.

Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

[Sioux-san]

Amen, Brother/Sister!

[Friendofgeorge]

Very good! Also a number of other Scriptures could also apply.

I know some Churches in Canada, walked away from real estate to stand for the truth, perhaps United Church, might have been Anglican, was over the whole homosexuality thing

[narses]

More odd views of a poster who claims that Catholics are idolaters, that those who celebrate Easter and Christmas are pagans and that claims that the idea of church on Sunday is a man made tradition and apparently not either Christian or Biblical.

In fact this poster claims ALL organized religions are wrong and that even venerating a simple Cross is pagan. Given that this is the point of view from which he views the world, why should anyone pay attention to his odd, often incomplete and often misread cut-n-pastes?

Some quotes and links as CB now tries to say he didn't say what he said:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2708561/posts?page=29#29

Let the pagans have it. God doesn’t smile down on people who celebrate Easter.

All of the Lent and Easter abomination is pagan and God clearly condemned it in scripture.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-religion/2686288/replies?c=6

[Friendofgeorge]

I could give you a number of Scriptures, many that show that Jesus is in fact God the Father, but not sure if it would be of any benefit to debate...Semantics even

John Chapter 1 from vs 1 for starters...In the beginning was the Word (Notice the caps on Word) and the Word was with God and the Word was God

The Word became flesh and dwelt among us...Jesus is the Word

Jesus said...those who have seen me have seen the Father, I and my father are one

In old and new Testament , Jesus is referred to as the prince of peace, the everlasting Father , King of Kings, The Great I Am etc etc

Yes I believe in John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life...basically the Gospel in the nutshell

[Friendofgeorge]

When I posted...that there was only One Holy Father and that is The Lord Jesus Christ...I could have just as easily said there is only 1 Holy Father and that is The Lord God

But anyway was just doing my evening quiet time as I hit the bed, so I skipped to find the Scripture I was thinking of, I could have chosen one of many, but here is the main one I was thinking of

From Isaiah 9 vs 6 , He was speaking of Jesus

For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government will be upon his shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful,Counselor,Mighty God,Everlasting Father,Prince of Peace

Time for bed :)

[narses]

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[annalex]

Correct terminology is neither “renounced” or “resigned”, but abdicated.

[The Grammarian]

I could give you a number of Scriptures, many that show that Jesus is in fact God the Father, but not sure if it would be of any benefit to debate...Semantics even

If the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is "semantics," then I'm not sure what the core beliefs of Christian doctrine are, in your estimation. What you're describing here sounds a lot like Sabellianism, also called Modalism and Patripassianism--a heresy condemned by the vast majority of Christianity since it appeared in the second or third century.

If Jesus, the Son of God, is God the Father, then why does Paul so often greet his audience in the Pauline Epistles with "Grace and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ"?

John Chapter 1 from vs 1 for starters...In the beginning was the Word (Notice the caps on Word) and the Word was with God and the Word was God

The capitalization of the word "Logos" is not present in the original Greek. You are correct though, that Jesus is the Word, and that the Word was with God, and the Word was God from the beginning. That does not mean that God the Son is God the Father.

As for Isaiah 9:6, Matthew Henry's Commentary on the passage makes the note that in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Tanakh), Jesus is the "Father of the world to come."

"He is the everlasting Father, or the Father of eternity; he is God, one with the Father, who is from everlasting to everlasting. He is the author of everlasting life and happiness to them, and so is the Father of a blessed eternity to them. He is the Father of the world to come (so the Septuagint reads it), the father of the gospel-state, which is put in subjection to him, not to the angels, Heb. 2:5 . He was, from eternity, Father of the great work of redemption: his heart was upon it; it was the product of his wisdom as the counsellor, of his love as the everlasting Father."