Posted on 02/22/2013 3:08:52 PM PST by haffast
Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York highlighted President Barack Obama's “call for sensible steps on gun control,” noting that it is an area of agreement for the two leaders.
“I found myself nodding in agreement when the President said, '….Overwhelming majorities of Americans – Americans who believe in the Second Amendment – have come together around common-sense reform, like background checks that will make it harder for criminals to get their hands on a gun,'” the cardinal said.
In a Feb. 15 post on his blog, “The Gospel in the Digital Age,” he explained that he was “very much in favor” of legislation passed by New York last month that constituted “the most comprehensive gun control bill in the country.”
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“The Holy See has continuously been a strong voice in opposition to international arms trading, the world’s version of gun control,” he noted.
In addition, he pointed out that the U.S. bishops have “for decades supported measures to get handguns off the streets, and to ban assault weapons.”
He reminded his readers that he is no expert on the particulars of gun control legislation, but he maintained that “there can be no denying that, in the wake of Newtown, Aurora, Blacksburg, Tucson, Columbine, and almost countless other horrific and senseless deaths by guns, that something must be done.”
Gun control is “part of building a Culture of Life,” the cardinal explained, “of doing what we can to protect and defend human life.”
He said easy access to guns “has contributed towards a Culture of Death, where human life and dignity are cheapened by the threat of violence.”
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Cardinal Dolan = Martin Niemoller in cassock. Mostly Dolan’s just hoping those opposed to freedom and liberty take him and his co-religionists last.
Yeah, well Cardinal Dolan, that assclown will force you to abort babies...and keep you from teaching that sodomy is a sin....
So you better consider thanking God there IS a second amendment.
The left has learned from the Soviet experience. This time they are simply going to co-opt the church and make it their willing handmaiden.
With all respect to my freedom loving Catholic brothers in Christ...
As a radical Calvinist....why should I give a rats testicle what a capon priest for a clown costumed gang of rascals and thieves thinks? In the old world, these guys’ predecessors tried to burn my fathers at the stake.
But oh wait. My grandaddies were armed with BOTH the sword and the Word. Christian liberty and political liberty then ensued quite beyond the control of kings and cardinals.
The Catholic church as an organization has NEVER been an advocate for true liberty. Quite the opposite. Blind ignorant obedience to Pope and to Caesar has been their demand since Constantine.
Had the Catholic hierarchy caught and burned Luther and the German landsmen who supported him, we would still be bending knee to men, buying indulgences, hearing Latin masses memorized by illiterate priests, and if caught with a heretic common vernacular language Bible, would be officially damned then flayed.
Let Mr. Dolan lick what boots he may....and screw him.
Any Catholic that stands for liberty and arms is a brother. Any who do not....a foe. It is a duty we owe to our fathers and our God.
Just because he hears confessions that doesn’t mean criminals are going to confess gun ownership to the state.
His eminence better lay off the Absolut-ion..
Amen Brother. Catholics have nothing in common with Obama. Cardinal dolan should stick to cleansing the Church of Pedophiles and leave the guns to the lay people.
Then we stand together for liberty and arms.
As far as burning at the stake go, Medieval times were extremely dark in this regard. It is a stain on the times as well as the Catholic Church.
But, it happened many hundreds of years ago. Just as the Protestant witch burnings in America and in various European countries.
John Calvin put his doctrinal enemy Servetus to death at the stake and fire.
Now we move on and have many secular enemies, jihadist enemies, religious liberty enemies etc to fight. We have our differences in doctrine, but we have Unity in obedience to only Jesus Christ.
Do Catholics ever read the Bible? It is always confusing to me when I hear that the Pope claims something opposite from what the Word of God says.
LOL.
Yeah, we read the Bible just like you guys do. And it is throughout the Liturgy in the Mass.
What did you think you heard the Pope say that wasn’t consistent with the Word of God?
Hence why i left the catholic church a long time ago.
Good post and I say that as a fellow, unabashed Calvinist and descendent of Huguenots.
“The Catholic church as an organization has NEVER been an advocate for true liberty. Quite the opposite. Blind ignorant obedience to Pope and to Caesar has been their demand since Constantine”
Like all other faiths the Catholic Church has good pastors and bad pastors.
But let remind you that the Catholic Church came before the Gospels. Without the Catholic Church there would be no Bible.
Without the Catholic Church there would be no Western Civilization. For over 2,000 years the Catholic Church has
stood the test of time because it’s doctrine comes from the Holy Bible, not a show of hands like most protestant faiths.
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Church-Built-Western-Civilization/dp/1596983280
And it's not like they're not being browbeaten about it already anyway.
Another example of what you get when “religious leaders” stray from the calling and get involved in unrelated areas - support for the Godless side of the aisle that they can subjugate the believers. One of the main reasons I decided to eschew religion and to go non-denominational and stick with Biblical teachings undiluted by those who lounge in a life of ease in their religious “callings”.
Luke 22:36 comes to mind. He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Also Peter drew his sword and cut off an ear. He was admonished by Jesus but just the same, he carried a sword.
I think God means us to be armed - just not foolish about it.
I agree with what you are saying. I think talking about saving souls (Faith) and Life issues (morals) is appropriate.
Talking about gun control is well beyond the area of expertise of clergy. As far as that goes, so is health care.
It may by a care issue, but clergy simply don’t have the complex knowledge to deal with such issues. The Catholic Church got outmaneuvered again and again during the health care debates.
They should have stuck to the “religious freedom” aspects of health care.
The Creation of the Religious Left
“When people reflect on the Christian church they generally picture a fellowship of believers whose focus is on *spiritual growth*, *spreading the faith*, and *good works*. These were the church’s primary goals until the last few decades. There is a wide gulf, however, between yesterday’s goals and today’s agenda. The American mainline churches the most prominent of which are the United Methodists, the United Church of Christ, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Episcopalians, the American Baptists, many Catholic leaders and orders, and the Lutheran Church in America - have realigned their priorities in a frighteningly *political* direction.”
“A growing percentage of Christian leadership has abandoned its role as *spiritual shepherd* because it no longer considers humanity’s *spiritual welfare* its greatest concern. A great many bishops have rejected *winning souls* in favor of *influencing political issues*. Church bureaucracy now neglects traditional mission in favor of *lobbying for political causes*. In fact, certain sectors of the church now make it their primary business to manufacture, widely distribute, and finance a radical agenda by which they hope *to save the world*. In doing so, they have created the *Religious Left*.”
http://cmpage.org/betrayal/chapt1.html
See post #38
Absolute agreement.
Two primary problems: 1)too much emphasis on social justice vs. winning sould 2) believing that the government is the answer vs. church charity.
When Christian Churches went down the road of believing that the government was compassion, they are agreeing and comforting the “principalities” that do evil.
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