[ClearCase_guy]

In Greece, they made the welfare state bigger and bigger and bigger. And the people -- the people who wanted the bigger welfare state -- decided that the taxes were too onerous, and they just stopped paying. Almost no one pays taxes in Greece. And so Greece went bankrupt and is now in a virtual state of collapse.

Just like Detroit.

Cloward-Piven. This is how its done. Make the system so big it is unsustainable. Then all the rules will be swept off the table, and a Strong Man can arise and tell everyone what to do.

[sanjuanbob]

I think the current “Strong Man” underestimated the resolve of his opponents.