Posted on 02/13/2013 9:59:29 AM PST by privatedrive
This excerpt from the Clemente Report is very disturbing. For anyone who refuses to believe that Joe didn't know - I think this story will change their minds. Would anyone blame this Mom, like they blame Joe? Would she be fired? Would she be cast as a horrible, evil person? Should all of her life's good work be erased because of this episode? Was she demonized like Joe has been? And this molestation happened literally right in front of her eyes.
Please watch the video, read the Clemente report, THEN please post your comments and let us know what you think.
Excerpt from Clemente Report:
"One of the many potential victims whom I interviewed during the investigation had a very interesting story to tell. First, I spoke with the boy’s mother. She assured me that she had already asked her approximately 6-year-old son whether Taus had molested him. He said no, so she believed there was no reason for me to talk to her son. I told her I would just like to ask a few questions and it would not take long. She reluctantly agreed. I interviewed the boy while he sat beside his mother and asked the boy a number of questions before I inquired whether Taus played any games with him. He answered that yes, they played the tickle game. I asked how the game was played. At that point, I recall the boy turning to his mother and saying, “You remember Mom, when I was sitting on his lap last time he was here talking to you. He had his hand up my shorts tickling my privates. He tickles me and I have to try not to laugh.” I looked at the mother and all the color had drained from her face. She could not believe that Taus had molested her son right in front of her very eyes and she had no idea that it had happened. She trusted Taus so much based on his profession, his reputation, and her repeated positive interactions with him that she never even questioned the fact that he liked to have her son sit on his lap."
ALL OF YOU PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY ESPN TALKING HEADS, NEED TO SHOW SOME REAL COURAGE AND ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG. IT COULD HAVE JUST AS EASILY BEEN YOU INSTEAD OF JOE. OR THAT POOR MOM. CMON PEOPLE - HAVE SOME MORAL COURAGE AND ADMIT YOUR MISTAKE, AND HELP THESE GOOD PEOPLE RESTORE THE LEGACY OF ONE OF THE TRULY GREAT MEN IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL.
Where is your evidence of conspiracy???
Yeah, that sounds like a real police force alright.
Go onto your local university campus and diall 911 or commit a crime and see who shows up. The campus police who have jurisdiction will make it real for you.
Who pays their salary? PSU? Then that is whom they are beholden to. (I spent 37 years in higher education so I am thoroughly familiar with administrative chains of command.)
By the way, why do you and your ilk bring this crap onto these threads? If you are looking for support for the enabler (Paterno) of the pedophile Sandusky, why don't you go over to the NAMBLA web site? You'll get plenty of support for your beloved pedophile enabler (Paterno) there.
That is true of every police department across the country, but they are still REAL police.
(I spent 37 years in higher education so I am thoroughly familiar with administrative chains of command.)
Is that some kind of excuse. We know who you were beholding to to shuffle papers for that many years.
By the way, why do you and your ilk bring this crap onto these threads?
It's called Free Republic not JohnG45's Republic.
You're full of nothing but accusations and dictations -- those 37 years served you well.
What is that old rubrik about when your opponent in a debate starts calling you names you have won the argument?
I’m telling you, try that NAMBLA site. It will feel like home to you.
Thanks — the old rubrik is correct — you lose.
Contestant: I’ll take nicknames for $500.00 Alex.
Alex: Which University is now known to the public as Pedophilia U?
Contestant: That would be Penn State University, Alex.
Alex: Correct!
Except Jerry Sandusky announced in July 1999 that he was retiring effective the end of the 1999 season. All of 1999 was Sandusky's goodbye tour.
During the '99 season, he brought Victim #4 to the pre-game Friday night banquets (where they sat at the coaches' table) and sleepovers at Toftree's, and Victim #4 went to the Alamo Bowl that year with Sandusky.
V#4 alleges he was molested by Sandusky both at Toftree's and at the Alamo Bowl.
Mike McQueary may never have seen Sandusky with a Second Mile kid on campus again . . . but one of the claimants not represented among those named in the grand jury presentment is a boy who alleges he was molested in the Penn State football offices in 2004. His attorney provided the police with Penn State memorabilia (a hockey puck and some PSU National Championship memorabilia) that the boy says Sandusky gave him. Perhaps MM didn't have any recruiting videos to pick up that night.
That's not true. The PSU police had two psychiatric profiles done of Sandusky. One of them determined he had the qualities of a pedophile. One of them didn't.
The PSU Police turned over only one of the two profiles to Children's Youth Services. I'll let you guess which one.
HINT: A CYS representative said that it would have given a different recommendation in 1998 had the agency been aware of the profile that indicated Sandusky had indications of being a pedophile.
“My consultants agree that the incidents meet all of our definitions, based on experience and education, of a likely pedophile’s pattern of building trust and gradual introduction of physical touch, within a context of a ‘loving,’ ‘special’ relationship."
Her analysis was based on an interview of a victim. The police did not turn this information over to CYS.
It’s all easy in hindsight. I don’t want to go back into the testimony of V4, but I believe js’s wife was on the bowl trip as well. There was nothing unusual about js being around boys. He was cleared for SIX adoptions for crying out loud!
If you start following the money and the ones who are actually covering their asses, you (along with me) will find the truth. And that trail of deceit certainly doesn’t lead to McKee St.
It’s funny they want to make a movie when this mess is barely into the 3rd quarter.
The head of the Penn State University Police Department.
Uncle Chip, I'd like you to rethink this.
First of all, Joe Paterno testified under oath before the grand jury that the only person he talked with about this was the athletic director, Tim Curley. Paterno testified under oath that he didn't know if Curley told anyone else. Unless Paterno was mistaken, or forgetful, or worst of all, perjured himself, Paterno never spoke with Gary Schultz.
If Paterno spoke with Gary Schultz, then that portion of Paterno's grand jury testimony is unreliable - and the way legal evidence works is that the rest of his grand jury testimony is subject to attack as equally unreliable or untrue.
Me? I think Paterno spoke with Schultz, which means that all of Paterno's testimony has to be taken with a big grain of salt. He can't even remember, or refused to testify truthfully, about talking with Schultz.
Second, Thomas Harmon was the Head of the PSU Campus police, not Gary Schultz. Gary Schultz was the Senior Vice President of Business and Finance. Thomas Harmon reported to Gary Schultz, as did the heads of Internal Audit, Human Resources, Building and Grounds, and seven other departments.
On FR, we don't refer to Obama as the 'head of the State Department', even though it reports to him on a corporate chart. We don't refer to Obama as 'head of Homeland Security," although it reports to him on a security chart, or perhaps the head of the National Security Agency does.
Calling Schultz the 'head of PSU police' is first-class apologetics. Harmon was the head of the PSU Police. He was never told about the 2001 incident.
For all we know, Schultz may have been approached because this was a Human Relations matter (HR reported to Schultz) or < sarc> Building and Grounds, because this involved a shower </sarc>.
He was a Penn State alumnus, letterman, and a PSU football coach for 30 years (defensive coordinator for 20+ years). In an area of Pennsylvania where football rules, Sandusky would have been allowed to adopt a child unless he slit the throats of at least three children in front of the CYS agent, on videotape.
We can run in this circle all day. You know where I’ll go and I know where you’ll go. Lets wait for more information to come out, huh?
You DO agree that there is much more information to come out, correct? You know that GS, GS, and TC’s trials are now pushed into 2014?
You do seem to at least be knowledgeable and well read when it comes to the case itself, and for that I thank you. As I’ve said all along, all I want is the truth. I don’t care about scholarships, wins, and crappy bowl games. I want the truth, and I don’t believe (as I said) it involves any sort of “enabling” by Joe Paterno.
You and I can differ on that, but the story simply hasn’t been told yet.
Is Joe Paterno bad because he talked to Schultz, the head of the PSU Police, and didn't admit it to the Grand Jury, 10 years after the incident, or is he bad because he should have gone over Curley's and spoken with Schulz directly. You can't have it both ways.
Either way -- the information made its way to Schulz who was in charge of the PSUPD and he and Curley met with McQueary. What more was Joe supposed to do???
When McQueary was asked why he didn't go to the police, he said under oath that he did. He said that he spoke with Schulz, and in speaking with Schulz he was speaking with the police.
Everyone on that campus knew that Schulz was in charge if the PSUPD.
And when the incident happened in 2001 Schulz called Harmon and asked him to check the 1998 Sandusky file, and he did. It's right in the Freeh Report.
The natural question would be to ask Chief of the PSUPD Harmon what he did after he pulled the 1998 Sandusky file on the computer. The natural question would be -- Has there been another incident??? But Freeh just drops it all right there as if pulling up that file should not have sent up any red flags for the Chief of Police.
To say that Harmon did not atleast suspect that there had been another incident strains credulity. But everything in the Freeh Report strains credulity.
Chronological Chart of Sandusky’s Abuse from the 2010 Grand Jury Presentment:
•Victim 7 - Abused 1997 in PSU pool.
•Victim 10 – Abused 1997-1999 in pool and Sandusky’s home
•Victim 4 - Abused 1998-2000 in various locations.
•Victim 6 - Single shower incident 1998.
•Victim 5 - Single shower incident 1998.
•Victim 3 - Abused 2000 at Sandusky home & in shower.
•Victim 8 - Abused PSU shower 2000, Victim has not been identified, only by hearsay witness.
•Victim 2 – Abused PSU shower 2001 - witnessed by McQueary – reported by PSU officials, who reported it to Second Mile.
(Four years of apparent stop of abuse.)
•Aaron Fisher (Victim 1) – Abused 2005-2008 at Sandusky’s home & CMHS.
•Victim 9 – Abused 2006-2009 at Sandusky’s home
Note the absence of Sandusky victimizations after the 2001 incident for not only 4 years of apparent stop of abuse but also not again on the PSU campus.
One way or the other Sandusky got the message in 2001 from Curley and others at his charity that interrupted his activities and caused him to back off.
Therefore those who are saying that PSU officials did nothing in 2001 are being intellectually dishonest. He stopped for 4 years and never again victimized on PSU campus. Let’s get that part of this story straight.
And BTW here is a copy of the 1998 report that Chief Harmon would have pulled up:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/redactedpolicereport.pdf
And a cursory reading indicates that it was a representative of the Harrisburg Office of the State of Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare who, after bringing in a ringer [Seasock] effectually closed the case against Sandusky in 1998.
This same agency and person Jerry Lauro who whitewashed the 1998 investigation was going to be in charge of the 2001 investigation if one was to occur.
and never again victimized on PSU campus.
Unless he had a live camera witnessing him 24 hours a day during that time you and no one else have any idea if he continued his child rape during those years or not. Just becuase no one caught him or testified means nothing. Could easily mean he just wasn’t caught or found out.
Were you aware of that chart before I posted it???
No; in fact, I’ve not been following this issue at all, since it was in the news a lot and I pinged out quite a few articles about it.
I just happened to see this thread come up in “latest articles”.
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