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To: fieldmarshaldj

Who is more corrupt, the state legislatures, who can only spend their own state’s money, many of which have balanced budget amendments, and cannot print money; or the current system that has failed to do their constitutional duty regarding a budget, is bankrupting the entire nation, stripping U.S. sovereignty, and can spend trillions of dollars?

Corruption is everywhere in politics - the job attracts highly corruptible people. But the best government is local, and the founders built a federalist system for a reason. If you have a corrupt state, you can always move to another state, and the state with the better system will prosper while the state making poor choices will suffer from the loss of taxpayers. But when the corruption is at the federal level, you can’t move to another United States.

The states created the federal government - not the other way around. Are you suggesting states should no longer have ANY voice in Washington?


11 posted on 02/08/2013 4:02:05 PM PST by FatMax
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To: FatMax; BillyBoy; Impy; Clemenza; AuH2ORepublican; BlackElk; Perdogg; campaignPete R-CT

As one whom has studied the membership of that body, I’m here to tell you that these grand notions of what repeal of the 17th would bring don’t mesh with the reality. There’s a reason why that amendment was passed, and it wasn’t some grand leftist conspiracy. Senators were becoming more and more corrupt, representing their own personal interests that had next to nothing with jealousy protecting states’ rights. The Senators were either puppets or puppetmasters of individual legislatures. They had become so far removed from the people that it was what prompted a nationwide reform movement that would force some level of accountability.

A good number of legislatures today are as grossly incompetent and corrupt as can be, and are the last people who need to be deciding upon Senators. A good number of states would also cease to be able to elect a remotely reasonable GOP Senator because of an unchanged one party hegemony (which include: CA, CT, DE, HI, IL, MD, MA, MN, NJ, NM, NY, OR, RI, VT, WA, WV). With no worries of having to appeal to anyone beyond the ultraleft, the bulk of these states would send the most radical of members that would adhere to the blasphemous and vile social agenda and the orgiastic spending spree.

The Republican members would be chock full of mushy RINOs, big government types (such as Lt Gov. Dewhurst in TX, who bribed and bullied the state legislature to get him the Senate seat over Ted Cruz — which thankfully the PEOPLE stopped). If states like Texas would send RINOs, how do you expect it would be any better elsewhere ?

The only way you would remotely come close to the Founders vision would be to roll back the standards and requirements for voting that were in effect before the middle of the 19th century. Meaning a massive disenfranchisement of the parasitic low and no information voters that have helped to push our country to the brink of destruction. Unless you’re willing to do that, repeal of the 17th is merely an exercise in removing what few Conservatives exist in that body at present.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 4:32:24 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: FatMax; fieldmarshaldj; Impy
>> But the best government is local, and the founders built a federalist system for a reason. <<

The state government is anything BUT local. It would take me hours to drive to the state capitol. Many state governments are larger and more powerful than the governments of various nations. If you want to enpower local government, repealing the 17th certainly wouldn't help because the state government is controlled by the big cities. My village and township government (the ACTUAL "locally elected" politicians) get virtually no representation in the federal, state, or even the county government.

31 posted on 02/08/2013 5:38:40 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: FatMax

The FieldMarshal is well known as an anti states rights bigot. He is a statist big time.


77 posted on 02/09/2013 3:03:57 AM PST by central_va (TH)
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