Posted on 02/08/2013 12:15:48 PM PST by Moseley
Putting Karl Rove aside for a moment....I think the concern among many is that in some instances.....some perfectly winnable US seats in red states were lost because the GOP nominated some loose cannons. Please GOP candidates, NEVER mention the words abortion and rape in the same sentence.
I and a few others were making these points on another thread the other day.
Key point take home message:
Insider theories dont seem to work in real life
Made it big to make it clear.
Next question is: do the insider/elite know their theories don't work?
I think they must because it is so easy to assess -- Mitt Romney being the best test case.
So they are using this argument essentially as a subterfuge for retaining as much control and power as they can.
If asked, they need to have an answer - one that doesn't involve ill-informed theories about uteruses magically 'shutting down.'
Even more perfectly electable seats were lost because we had a loser at the top of the ticket.
Maybe so....but Romney easily carried IN and MO so the GOP US Senate candidates in those states must have been exceptionally weak.
Are you ALWAYS this Clueless or do you work at it? The WORTHLESS GOP-e BACKSTABBED EVERYONE of their Non-Hand picked candidates. Missouri, Indiana WERE VERY Winnable. Delaware on the other hand was(and still is) a LOST cause(too Blue, too STUPID)!
Initially I thought Mourdock was vastly preferable to the decrepit Lugar.....then Mourdock put his foot in his mouth handing the seat over to the Democrats. Missouri is even more inexplicable. Sarah Palin and many conservatives supported an attractive candidate, the former state treasurer Sarah Stedman, but it looks like the Dems played games in the primary crossing over to vote for the weakest of GOP candidates assuring the re-election of the highly vulnerable Claire McCaskill.
Politics is war. Democrats and their acolytes in the media, educational, and labor establishments are great at one thing: DEMONIZING Republicans. We need to fight fire with fire and DEMONIZE Democrats. Milquetoast Republican candidates who think they can win by being more reasonable and having better policy positions are laughably naïve.
Politics is war. Democrats and their acolytes in the media, educational, and labor establishments are great at one thing: DEMONIZING Republicans. We need to fight fire with fire and DEMONIZE Democrats. Milquetoast Republican candidates who think they can win by being more reasonable and having better policy positions are laughably naïve.
Elections are strange events sometimes for reasons we can’t really pin down. I’m not going to look up the numbers but Romney got more votes across the CD 18 race than did West. That I don’t understand even with the CD district lines being redrawn.
i.e. Rove faves: Connie Mack IV; Denny Rehberg; Heather Wilson; Rick Berg; George Allen; Tommy Thompson ...
if you bothered watching the main debate between Lugar and the new guy back in the primaries you'd found they were not far apart at all on any issues ~ still, you'd had to agreed that Lugar was a drooler. I am pretty sure he'd lost this time too.
Vance Hartke once won the race for Senate while Republicans won every other office on the ticket.
That's how evenly divided Indiana elections can be.
In Missouri neither of the TEA Party backed Conservative candidates won the primary. Instead, the fellow the Democrats ran campaign advertising for won.
Rence Preibus, faced with a dilemma ~ to support a Conservative, or give up the race, gave up the race.
I don't think Consevatism was the problem, but we are not yet rid of Rence ~ and he's long overdue or a departure from party affairs.
I don’t about the rest of you, but I would like to start winning elections again. How we lost US senate seats in IN, MO, MT, and ND-—ALL states Romney easily carried is totally beyond me. Yes I want conservatives, true conservatives who believe in traditional Republican principles likes fiscal resonsibility, limited government, lower taxes, pro-business, and policies fostering economic growth and energy independence. But we need to nominate responsible conservatives who can articulate these policies and attract people to the cause rather nominating people who seem to go out of their way to alienate people and turn people off.
Rove is all about memorizing old data. He has no clue as to how to actually change people's attitudes & perceptions on issues. Hence he has Republican candidates chasing after Leftist voters, rather than even trying to ween Leftist voters--many of whom are simply misled innocents--away from failed policies.
The kindest thing one can say about Karl Rove is that he is incompetent.
William Flax
Steve King announced on WHO Des Moines 1040AM last night Karl Rove is targeting him.Harkin will not run next year.
Harkin of "heap o' dung" infamy, grinning like a hyena with Daniel Ortega and Kerry who served North Vietnam.
Karl Rove who bashed Sarah Palin and let Bush's poll numbers tank.
Karl Rove who saddled us with unspeakable losers McCain and Romney.
Steve King presents on every issue as the principled conservative: fiscal, social, defense.
Second Amendment, sanctity of life, border, you name it.
Rove's idea of a good time is John Boehner caving like a spelunker.
I can't see Rove and Boehner welding on their Cat in an Iowa field--
--yet they do seem to produce considerable manure.
“I dont about the rest of you, but I would like to start winning elections again.” It’s EASY DO NOT Let GOP-e run things and we will.
n the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Karl Roves idea of electability: GOP elites keep getting it wrong, Moseley wrote:
“some perfectly winnable US seats in red states were lost because the GOP nominated some loose cannons.
Are you SURE that’s the reason? If the Party is attacking their own nominee, why should voters vote for that nominee? Are you sure it’s the loose cannons or the Party establishment firing artillery on their own troops?”
Glad you posted that because it is right on the money. The worst example was the Aikin response.
But the way that could have been handled is Aikin clearing the air by Aikin continuing “ My personal beliefs of what God permits on this subject will never come up with any legislation that will pass my desk if elected. At least I profess a belief there is God who issued the ten comandments one of which is “Thou shalt not steal” another is “bear false wittness” . I also believe being elected to office does not give one a license to steal. The democrats booed Gods name at their convention.....etc etc...
Rove talk show supporters all jumped on Aikin
One of the worst was Cunningham who by the way was surprized and didn’t know he was dumped from WLS.. If he read his reports from his syndicator he’d have been aware
Now back to Mr Rove
First of all guys like Rove and others ignored the mechanics of basic campaigning. They allowed the M.ainline S.ocialist M.edia drive the issues and are still doing so they learned nothing from their disasters.I find it inexcuseable for Rove to allow his boss GWB get continuosly trashed without responding.
These people I call them GOPES because it rhymes with dopes right now are falling into the same trap. Limbaugh and Levin, God bless them ...realize that what Limbaugh calls the LIVs (low intelligence voters) actually believe that Obama is offering the proverbial olive branch to Republicans when actually he is proceeding on his path to complete socialism. AND THEY CANT CALL HIM A LIAR .
This administration came up with a policy on energy which had driven up the cost on everything. It was on the tongue of every black, white. yellow,and brown skined person living in the US....IT WENT UNTOUCHED in the 2012 campaign....WORSE YET IT IS STILL GOING UNCHALLANGED
Now the GOPES are buying into the demographic argument offered by the MSM. Here you have an issue staring at them straight in the face affecting every man,woman,and child of every skin color and you cant bring it up and they talk about demographics being pushed by the socialist media .
They should be decrying the philosphy of demographics by stating theyre Americans first not Afro-Americans. not Hispanic-Americans and not-Asian-Americans, or White-Americans. The counter charge should be these are socialist tactics neing pushed by the hypenated Demo-coms. Democrats in socialist/fascist clothing. Let alone not mention the booing of God’s name during their convention then belittle those Republicans who express a religious conviction even to the point of suggesting that those that do shouldn’t run for political office.
Rove and his RINOS are wrong for the Republicans .
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