Is Obama Pushing for a Civil War?

Capitol Hll Outsider ^ | 2/8/2013 | JB Williams

[IbJensen]

Over the last four years, the Obama administration has violated nearly every Article of the US Constitution and every Amendment in the Bill of Rights. They have worked to ignite racial tensions, class warfare, religious confrontations and political divisions far worse than those that led to the first American Civil War.

Over 70% of Americans oppose ObamaCare… so of course, Obama rammed ObamaCare through in an unprecedented misuse of executive power that shut out the entire legitimate legislative process, as spineless Republicans sat quietly on their hands watching it all happen. The people said “no more deficit spending…and no more raising the debt ceiling…” so, Obama ignored the debt ceiling and ran up the federal debt by more than 60% in one term.

The ideological divide in America is not only deeper than ever in history, it is now galvanized. With the leftist gun grab underway, the moment when push comes to shove is fast approaching.

Since his second stolen election, Obama and his Marxist minions are doing all they can to ignite civil disobedience from more than half of the nation’s population. But are the new American Marxists pushing for much more than civil disobedience?

As Obama attempts to disarm law-abiding Citizens despite Second Amendment rights, he is arming known terrorists all over the globe. His mindless minions are insulting more than 70% of Americans and threatening to “kick their asses again” on the basis that most Americans still believe in those dusty old concepts recorded in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Lawyers trained not in law or the constitution, but rather in rules of procedure and precedence, by yesterday’s draft-dodgers turned law professors, are telling the American people that the Constitution and Bill of Rights are themselves “unconstitutional.”

Obama wants to control everything down to school lunches, individual medical care, what kind of cars we can drive, who can own a weapon and what kind, attacking cigarette smokers while trying to legalize, regulate and tax marijuana, as his fellow Marxists discuss how to “re-educate” Citizens that just don’t want to go along to get along.

If you hadn’t noticed that you woke up in pre-world war Germany yet, it’s only because your city has not yet experienced Obama’s Urban Warfare Training of the US Military. An Obama Justice Department Memo approves the use of Drone Attacks on US Citizens and reports of Military Officers leaving service because they refused to confirm that they will follow orders to fire on US Citizens are increasing.

If Obama really thinks he is going to seize control of citizens’ private 401ks to pay for his international Marxist movement – he is going to need more than a few lawyers and soldiers to do it. Clearly, Obama thinks that HE is the Supreme Law of this Land.

For more than 230 years, Americans have revered the most fundamental protections of freedom and liberty, their Bible, their Constitution and their guns. Under the Obama administration, this is now the new operative definition of “domestic terrorist.” According to Obama’s DOJ, they now have the right to use Drone attacks on these “terrorists” just like the Drone attacks used to kill terrorists in Pakistan.

This is either the strangest set of anti-American coincidences in human history, or something wicked this way comes… Even Father of American Socialism FDR got it right once…

“As a matter of fact and law, the governing rights of the States are all of those which have not been surrendered to the National Government by the Constitution or its amendments.”

Individually, each of these documented events is highly troublesome in the Land of the once Free and Home of the once Brave. But combined, it all adds up to the Obama administration and their Marxist minions working around the clock to shove America into a second Civil War.

Is there any other way to see it?

As Obama and his international leftist friends drive the nation deeper and deeper into economic insanity, trillions of dollars in public debt that American productivity can never pay, a collapse of our entire economy is imminent. It’s just a matter of what day they decide to stop propping it all up with baseless money printed up in the backroom, no more valuable than monopoly money.

How can a nation hooked on adult cartoons and porn, that now tunes into Comedy Central for the latest “news” possibly combat what is clearly happening here?

I believe that a Civil War is coming alright… but this time, it won’t be North vs. South, East vs. West or even Republican vs. Democrat. It won’t be the 99% average Americans vs. the 1% super-rich either, nor will it be white vs. black or Christian vs. atheist. It won’t be Americans against their own military either.

It will be ALL Americans, including their military, against the Marxist anti-Americans destroying America, which means politicians, their lawyers and their leftist minions in the press. I wouldn’t want to be them when they finally succeed in pushing the nation to internal war.

Politicians, their lawyers and their minions in the press are NOT the kind of people that go to war. They are only the kind of people that order other people to war. When “other folks” refuse orders to go to war on their own citizens, their families, their friends, the people issuing those orders will be standing bare naked on the front lines and nobody will be able to save their sorry asses from the wrath of the American people.

Most Americans have never known anything but freedom and liberty. As a result, they take it all for granted on most days. But when threatened, the redneck nature in every American shows up, and redneck is not a region in the country, it’s a bad attitude towards all who would threaten our freedom.

This land is our land… remember?

This land is your land, this land is my land

From California, to the New York Island

From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters

This land was made for you and me

Every State Constitution begins with words very similar to this –

“That all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; for the advancement of those ends they have at all times, an unalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper.” – Tennessee Constitution

The federal constitution, a compact between the states that creates and governs the federal government (not the people) at all times, begins as follows…

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

The politicians don’t rule the people, as all power is inherent in the people, not their government.

The US Military has not sworn an allegiance to any politician or political agenda. They are sworn to protect and preserve the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the people of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic – even those who manage to seize control of the people’s White House and attempt to use the power of the people’s resources, against the people.

If Obama and his Marxist friends want a war in American streets, they are going to get one. Sooner or later, the American people will accept Obama’s many invitations to war.

The American people have nothing to fear but fear itself, because if and when American Marxists push this fight into the streets, the enemies of freedom will find themselves greatly outnumbered and ill-prepared for the people they have so foolishly underestimated.

No sane American wants to see our differences settled this way… But as Democrat John F. Kennedy said so well – “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.”

Read this as a warning to all who think they will rob American’s of their individual freedoms and liberties. Don’t misinterpret peaceful patience for cowardice or any form of consent. When the people have had enough, they will put down this evil and make an example of those who have forced this fight upon them.

The people have nothing to fear…. But politicians, lawyers and media minions sure do. They had better come to their senses before it’s too late.

The Constitutional Representative Republic will be defended. Any American blood that is shed in defense of the Republic will be on the hands of those who have forced this war upon the people.

[Resolute Conservative]

Sometimes I miss that :)

[Jack Black]

CWII Ping! This one is a bullseye hit on the CWII Ping List.

Hat tip to the ever vigilant DuncanWaring!

About the CWII Ping List

The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press.

FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

Please Freep Mail me to get on the list.

[Jack Black]

CWII Ping! This one is a bullseye hit on the CWII Ping List.

Hat tip to the ever vigilant DuncanWaring!

About the CWII Ping List

The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press.

FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

Please Freep Mail me to get on the list.

[CodeToad]

“Kinda raises the question, who is the US? The civilians or the government?”

They believe it is the government. All of us could die but as along as the government exists the US exists. Kinda explains why they make “continuity of government” bunkers for them but no one else.

[Dead Corpse]

We don’t want to over throw the Republic. We want to over throw the Socialist Democracy that has usurped its place.

[Mark17]

Is Obama pushing for a civil war?

Yes.

[x]

Pretty overwrought. Obama might want to create some version of the Western European welfare state, but it's doubtful that he'd want to bring full-on Leninism to the US. The confusion between two versions of "socialism" or "Marxism" fuels a lot of feverish speculation, as does Obama's early radicalism.

People are always quick to see politicians on their own side as weak, wishy-washy creatures devoid of willpower or resolve, and those on the other side as superhumanly cunning and devoted to achieving some monstrous goal.

That's rarely the case in countries with long-established democratic and constitutional traditions. What politicians do may wreck the country, but that's not usually their goal, and whatever good or ill they achieve they rarely want to set themselves up as dictators for life.

That's not the way their minds have been shaped by years on politics. It's largely been a matter of achieving more limited goals within the existing system.

Fomenting civil war or revolution or establishing a dictatorship isn't worth all the aggravation and effort, especially since former presidents can live such cushy and untroubled lives and dictators have to watch their back every minute of every day.

We went through all this with Clinton and Bush, but I suppose all the fevered speculation about evil plots won't end anytime soon. I guess that to care at all about politics it helps to believe that the loss of everything is a real and close possibility.

[sport]

I, personally, do not believe that he is leaving office when his term expires. Time will tell.

[fr_freak]

If anything it should be called Revolutionary War II not Civil War!An inside military takeover would solve a lot of messy problems.

Couldn't disagree with you more. There is a reason the Founders made the civilian, elected President the Commander-in-Chief, and that is because they recognized the danger of an independent military. If we do this Revolution II thing, it has to be led by the civilian population. The military can join us, but if we were to allow the military to take full control, we risk becoming a dictatorship every bit as much as we risk under communists like Obama. I think most military guys (of honor) would agree with me.

[fr_freak]

There are almost none here I would want to lead me when the time comes, and only a handful I’d want by my side.

There are plenty of good men and women on this site, including plenty of men capable of leading and conducting any kind of resistance you want. Just like most other sites, we have a very vocal minority that descends on darn near every thread and wreaks havoc, and some act like pompous a-holes, but the vast majority of members here are exactly the kind of people you'd depend on in a crisis. Think of it this way: the most dangerous and effective people we have on this site are probably among the ones who bluster the least. The ones who will actually be DOING, when the time comes, are not the same ones who are thumping their chests online, for the most part.

[Noumenon]

They just may see a Trident missile aimed at their own if they keep violating the Constitution and committing treasonous acts against The People...

You know, the prospect of watching Washington DC dissolve in a bath of nuclear fire is becoming more appealing by the day.

[jsanders2001]

You know in the past we’d be targeted for saying something like that but nowadays so many feel that way it’s the majority. It would take them so long to go after everyone with that sentiment it would take at least 50 years...lol

He’s the traitor, not us.

[dagogo redux]

Your points are well taken, and I would probably agree with your sentiments if those who are quiet and thoughtful were less quiet here. Perhaps I should have phrased it this way:

“There are almost none of the frequent and vocal posters here that I would want . . .. “

[vanilla swirl]

Does anyone remember the 1990’s and people like Linda Thompson and Bo Gritz?

I have my reasons for asking.

[Lucky9teen]

It is a great mistake to suppose that the paper we are to propose will govern the United States. It is the men whom it will bring into the Government and interest in maintaining it that is to govern them. The paper will only mark out the mode and the form. Men are the substance and must do the business. ~ John Francis Mercer

The Founders knew...men would corrupt what they had found.

[bayouranger]

Tks!

[RWB Patriot]

A war in the US, especially a civil war, would theoretically give dear leader just about everything he wants:

An excuse to “temporarily postpone elections”, enact martial law/emergency powers, nationalize the private sector, impose rationing, suppress free speech, etc. Isn’t that how all dictatorships come to power?

So yes, it would not surprise me in the slightest if he was hoping for such a thing...but I dare say he doesn’t realize how much he’d be biting off.

[alphadog]

“I have my reasons for asking.”

I do; and?

[Jack Black]

With that in mind, Obama will simply announce he's running for a third team with the RATS and the media firmly supporting him. Then it will be up to someone on our side to challenge the constitutionality of what he's doing, but again, while that goes through the courts, Obama's reelection effort will be going full speed ahead.

Were he to do that the Democratic Party would assume the status of the Hell's Angels, just a gang of thugs about whom the presumption can be made that they are guilty until proven innocence by virtue of membership in the Party.