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To: BlackElk
This is rather off topic, and Ron Paul and his minions lose me on a number of issues, but I couldn't help but notice your obsessive fear of "alienating" Hispanic voters.

When will the Republican mainstream disabuse itself of the myth, or rather fantasy, that the indigent and illiterate inhabitants of our bordertown colonias and barrios are hotbeds of conservatism, who would vote for lower taxes and less government if only the GOP would be more liberal on immigration?

People like you who latch onto this dream ignore the fact that hispanics are disproportionate beneficiaries of government largesse. Single teenage mothers and unskilled, barely literate minimum wage workers who don't even pay taxes aren't very likely to embrace a program that threatens their food stamps, affirmative action benefits, "bilingual" (i.e. never learn English) special education programs, and various other goodies.

So when you consider certain demographic and economic realities, nobody is "alienating" Hispanics from conservatism. The fact that macho Mexicans hate homosexuals and their pregnant teenage girls won't have abortions or use birth control doesn't mean that they will vote for welfare cuts.

But by all means go on supporting "paths to citizenship" and the DREAM act along with all the liberal Democrats that you hate. You're just recruiting more people who will help elect the next decade's Obama.

64 posted on 02/10/2013 8:04:42 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck; iopscusa
ek_hornbek:

1. I should have noticed. You seem to be the one poster on this entire thread expressing any support for iopscusa's views. I would congratulate you but that is no cause for congratulations.

2. The Mexicans are here. They aren't going to go back to Mexico even if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want them to with all of your fingers crossed and dangling rabbits' feet. Get used to it. They are not going to vote (not even in the future when inevitably they will qualify) for candidates who vow to deport them. Nor are their relatives who are actually entitled to vote going to vote for the immigration averse Simon Legrees.

3. They do despise fudgepacker lifestyles and baby-killing. We need a lot more of that attitude in the USA.

4. You would also be surprised at how many Hispanics want their kids to be totally fluent in the English language in order to make the most of being in the USA. There was a debate at a community college in New Haven where I used to be a part time teacher. The debate was a face-off between the most conservative state senator Connecticut has seen in the last 50 years and a big shot from LULAC. The LULAC representative had his head (and his ass) handed to him by the Puerto Rican mothers in the audience who called him a poverty pimp trying to keep their kids controlled in the barrio. The state senator was the head of English First in Connecticut and mopped the floor with the remains of the LULAC representative after the Hispanic moms got finished with LULACboy.

5. I am not sure what the Republican "mainstream" may be nowadays but if it is the GOP-E that so easily nominates the likes of Gerald Feckless Ford, George Herbert Walker New World Order Bush, Bob Tax Collector for the Welfare State Dole, John McCain and Mittler as POTUS candidates by the application of obscene amounts of anonymous ruling class $$$$, I am not part of that mainstream. They also bought the nomination of Bush the Younger who thankfully kept his father's foreign policy sellouts far from his administration and named Roberts and Alito to the SCOTUS. If the Republican "mainstream" is the one that nominated Marco Rubio over Limpwrist Crist, Ted Cruz over Chatsworth Worthington Dewhurst, Richard Mourdock (even if he lost the election it was worth it) over that treasonweasel Richard Lugar, ousted Robert Bennett in favor of Mike Lee, elected Ron Johnson in Wisconsin, etc., then I must be "mainstream."

6. Frankly, I find marriage, the babies' lives, military, interventionist foreign policy, guns, homeschooling and such issues infinitely more attractive and important than a relentless search for minigovernment, tax cuts for the fat cats, and the current and future status of Muffie's trust fund which tends to be the obsession of the GOP-E along with how much $$$$ can be farmed from the general public and siphoned off by the GOP-E. Nonetheless, so long as the social and military issues take precedence, the GOP-E can be on board provided they behave themselves and understand their subservient status in the conservative coalition. Their alternative is to try and cut a deal for tax cuts and minimizing government with the party of Obozo. Oh, wait....

7. If the bordermanics don't wise up, we will all face a future of nothing but Obozo-like tyrants. Plenty of Mexicans came here for jobs, to create businesses of their own, create a future for their kids, profit and prosper, are willing to pay their dues by way of military service, join police departments, send their kids to PRIVATE schools, avoid welfare state existence, etc. They are filling the gaping void in our society left by the willful murder of 55 million innocent babies to date by surgical abortions alone since Roe vs. Wade.

8. Do a better job of tracking SCOTUS decisions. Affirmative action is on its deathbed. See Ricci vs. DeStefano (Mayor of New Haven).

9. The Second Amendment was actually enforced as to the INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms in cases out of DC and Chicago.

10. The chipping away at Roe vs. Wade continues at a glacial pace but is moving in the right direction.

11. Large new immigrant groups have always been disproportionate beneficiaries of welfare state programs. I am not so sure that this has been true of Mexicans, certainly none of the many with whom I am acquainted. The answer is to abolish the welfare state programs. The answer is not to deport Mexicans but to recruit them. Those macho Mexican men are not anxious to be rendered irrelevant by the welfare department replacing them with their wives and girlfriends.

12. Of course, recent progress in the courts will not continue if ANY conservative Justice is replaced by one more Elena Kagan or one more Sonia Sotomayor. Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas may not leave soon voluntarily but either could die (which God forbid!). Chief Justice Roberts has epilepsy and I am not sure how that bodes for his longevity. Petit mal no big deal. Grand mal may be another story. Now, if, despite their social conservatism, their military and foreign policy conservatism, their Second Amendment conservatism, you and those who share your passions can just keep on threatening enough Mexicans, then we will have an America that is safe for baby-killing, fudge-packing posing as "marriage," Obozocare, gun grabbing, environmentalist everything, economic stagnation and implosion, a renewed round of the racial spoils system known as "affirmative action," and what not.

Like it or not, they are now fellow Americans to be wooed and won. Turn their vote and turn the future of this country for the better. Don't earn their confidence, don't turn their vote, don't welcome them into a conservatism that is their natural inclination and all of us will pay the price. Mexico was no model of democracy for them. They need to learn about us. Get a copy of the film For Greater Glory and appreciate what the Mexicans CAN be. I think you need to learn about them. We all do.

What DID Ronald Reagan do? What WOULD Jack Kemp have done? Neither would have been chumps on this issue, whatever you may imagine. Just as you are new to Free Republic, the Mexicans you are complaining about are new to our country.

70 posted on 02/10/2013 11:05:10 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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