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To: ek_hornbeck; iopscusa
ek_hornbek:

1. I should have noticed. You seem to be the one poster on this entire thread expressing any support for iopscusa's views. I would congratulate you but that is no cause for congratulations.

2. The Mexicans are here. They aren't going to go back to Mexico even if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want them to with all of your fingers crossed and dangling rabbits' feet. Get used to it. They are not going to vote (not even in the future when inevitably they will qualify) for candidates who vow to deport them. Nor are their relatives who are actually entitled to vote going to vote for the immigration averse Simon Legrees.

3. They do despise fudgepacker lifestyles and baby-killing. We need a lot more of that attitude in the USA.

4. You would also be surprised at how many Hispanics want their kids to be totally fluent in the English language in order to make the most of being in the USA. There was a debate at a community college in New Haven where I used to be a part time teacher. The debate was a face-off between the most conservative state senator Connecticut has seen in the last 50 years and a big shot from LULAC. The LULAC representative had his head (and his ass) handed to him by the Puerto Rican mothers in the audience who called him a poverty pimp trying to keep their kids controlled in the barrio. The state senator was the head of English First in Connecticut and mopped the floor with the remains of the LULAC representative after the Hispanic moms got finished with LULACboy.

5. I am not sure what the Republican "mainstream" may be nowadays but if it is the GOP-E that so easily nominates the likes of Gerald Feckless Ford, George Herbert Walker New World Order Bush, Bob Tax Collector for the Welfare State Dole, John McCain and Mittler as POTUS candidates by the application of obscene amounts of anonymous ruling class $$$$, I am not part of that mainstream. They also bought the nomination of Bush the Younger who thankfully kept his father's foreign policy sellouts far from his administration and named Roberts and Alito to the SCOTUS. If the Republican "mainstream" is the one that nominated Marco Rubio over Limpwrist Crist, Ted Cruz over Chatsworth Worthington Dewhurst, Richard Mourdock (even if he lost the election it was worth it) over that treasonweasel Richard Lugar, ousted Robert Bennett in favor of Mike Lee, elected Ron Johnson in Wisconsin, etc., then I must be "mainstream."

6. Frankly, I find marriage, the babies' lives, military, interventionist foreign policy, guns, homeschooling and such issues infinitely more attractive and important than a relentless search for minigovernment, tax cuts for the fat cats, and the current and future status of Muffie's trust fund which tends to be the obsession of the GOP-E along with how much $$$$ can be farmed from the general public and siphoned off by the GOP-E. Nonetheless, so long as the social and military issues take precedence, the GOP-E can be on board provided they behave themselves and understand their subservient status in the conservative coalition. Their alternative is to try and cut a deal for tax cuts and minimizing government with the party of Obozo. Oh, wait....

7. If the bordermanics don't wise up, we will all face a future of nothing but Obozo-like tyrants. Plenty of Mexicans came here for jobs, to create businesses of their own, create a future for their kids, profit and prosper, are willing to pay their dues by way of military service, join police departments, send their kids to PRIVATE schools, avoid welfare state existence, etc. They are filling the gaping void in our society left by the willful murder of 55 million innocent babies to date by surgical abortions alone since Roe vs. Wade.

8. Do a better job of tracking SCOTUS decisions. Affirmative action is on its deathbed. See Ricci vs. DeStefano (Mayor of New Haven).

9. The Second Amendment was actually enforced as to the INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms in cases out of DC and Chicago.

10. The chipping away at Roe vs. Wade continues at a glacial pace but is moving in the right direction.

11. Large new immigrant groups have always been disproportionate beneficiaries of welfare state programs. I am not so sure that this has been true of Mexicans, certainly none of the many with whom I am acquainted. The answer is to abolish the welfare state programs. The answer is not to deport Mexicans but to recruit them. Those macho Mexican men are not anxious to be rendered irrelevant by the welfare department replacing them with their wives and girlfriends.

12. Of course, recent progress in the courts will not continue if ANY conservative Justice is replaced by one more Elena Kagan or one more Sonia Sotomayor. Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas may not leave soon voluntarily but either could die (which God forbid!). Chief Justice Roberts has epilepsy and I am not sure how that bodes for his longevity. Petit mal no big deal. Grand mal may be another story. Now, if, despite their social conservatism, their military and foreign policy conservatism, their Second Amendment conservatism, you and those who share your passions can just keep on threatening enough Mexicans, then we will have an America that is safe for baby-killing, fudge-packing posing as "marriage," Obozocare, gun grabbing, environmentalist everything, economic stagnation and implosion, a renewed round of the racial spoils system known as "affirmative action," and what not.

Like it or not, they are now fellow Americans to be wooed and won. Turn their vote and turn the future of this country for the better. Don't earn their confidence, don't turn their vote, don't welcome them into a conservatism that is their natural inclination and all of us will pay the price. Mexico was no model of democracy for them. They need to learn about us. Get a copy of the film For Greater Glory and appreciate what the Mexicans CAN be. I think you need to learn about them. We all do.

What DID Ronald Reagan do? What WOULD Jack Kemp have done? Neither would have been chumps on this issue, whatever you may imagine. Just as you are new to Free Republic, the Mexicans you are complaining about are new to our country.

70 posted on 02/10/2013 11:05:10 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: BlackElk
They are not going to vote (not even in the future when inevitably they will qualify) for candidates who vow to deport them. Nor are their relatives who are actually entitled to vote going to vote for the immigration averse Simon Legrees.

Nor are they going to vote for candidates who threaten to take away their food stamps, welfare checks, or affirmative action benefits. Not to mention all of the special schools with carefully crafted dumbed-down curricula in which they can "succeed."

3. They do despise fudgepacker lifestyles and baby-killing. We need a lot more of that attitude in the USA.

What two people do or don't do with their genitals doesn't affect me in the slightest. People turning our cities into tin roof shanty towns and gangland does. I have my priorities straight.

Moreover, if sexual morality is such a big issue for them, perhaps they should do something about their reproductive norms, which seem to be unwed teen pregnancy.

6. Frankly, I find marriage, the babies' lives, military, interventionist foreign policy, guns, homeschooling and such issues infinitely more attractive and important than a relentless search for minigovernment, tax cuts for the fat cats, and the current and future status of Muffie's trust fund which tends to be the obsession of the GOP-E along with how much $$$$ can be farmed from the general public and siphoned off by the GOP-E. Nonetheless, so long as the social and military issues take precedence, the GOP-E can be on board provided they behave themselves and understand their subservient status in the conservative coalition. Their alternative is to try and cut a deal for tax cuts and minimizing government with the party of Obozo. Oh, wait....

Yes, if the GOP had nominated a loon like Rick Santorum, whose only campaign issues were abortion, homosexuality, and other social issues that aren't even in the domain of the Federal Government's rights and responsibilities, the conservative movement would be so much better off.

As for sacred "military interventionism," somehow, I think there are better uses for our resources than protecting the borders of Kosovo and Bosnia or preventing two tribes on different hilltops in Afghanistan from slaughtering each other.

As for "Muffie's trust fund," the right of people to retain and dispose of with their property as they see fit is probably the most fundamental freedom worth defending. I do not, and most fiscal conservatives do not, defend taking taxpayer money and bailing out speculators who lost out in derivative markets any more than I approve of taking tax dollars to support barrio indigents. I see them as two sides of the same coin (and isn't if funny how establishment Republicans defended TARP when it was carried out by the Bush administration, only to turn on a dime and complain when it was expanded and taken to its illogical conclusion by Obama?)

7. If the bordermanics don't wise up, we will all face a future of nothing but Obozo-like tyrants. Plenty of Mexicans came here for jobs, to create businesses of their own, create a future for their kids, profit and prosper, are willing to pay their dues by way of military service, join police departments, send their kids to PRIVATE schools, avoid welfare state existence, etc. They are filling the gaping void in our society left by the willful murder of 55 million innocent babies to date by surgical abortions alone since Roe vs. Wade.

And if people like you don't wise up, we face an America that's politically, linguistically, culturally, and economically indistinguishable from Mexico in everything but name. If I wanted to live in a society like that, I would move there. I don't and I won't.

11. Large new immigrant groups have always been disproportionate beneficiaries of welfare state programs. I am not so sure that this has been true of Mexicans, certainly none of the many with whom I am acquainted. The answer is to abolish the welfare state programs. The answer is not to deport Mexicans but to recruit them. Those macho Mexican men are not anxious to be rendered irrelevant by the welfare department replacing them with their wives and girlfriends.

They're macho when it comes to their gangs and low riders, but not so manly when it comes to assuming the responsibilities of "baby daddy." When you see a teenage girl in the barrio with six kids, each likely has a different last name, and you can bet that "macho" daddy isn't supporting any of them.

What WOULD Jack Kemp have done? Neither would have been chumps on this issue, whatever you may imagine.

Jack Kemp wass a buffoon who supported affirmative action. Why should I use him as a measuring stick for who is or isn't a "chump"?

Just as you are new to Free Republic, the Mexicans you are complaining about are new to our country

One line of argument on messageboards that I always find laughable is the "I've been posting here longer, so I'm right." It's a juvenile ad hominem if there ever was one.

I repeat - my objection to the US being flooded with millions of Mexicans has nothing to do with them being "new" (nor with the color of their skin, before you play that card). The problem is cultural and economic.

75 posted on 02/11/2013 9:26:38 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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