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To: pepsionice
One night about halfway through the term, in a statistics class, the instructor came to class drunk. He then regaled the class with how the class was all BS and we'd never use what he was teaching.

I and several others complained to the university. He was fired the next day, the class cancelled, and our tuition for the class was refunded. I didn't bother to take the course again. He was right about the course.

30 posted on 02/02/2013 9:16:44 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Wordkraft

Statistics:

With regard to almost all undergraduate courses, you will not “use” the subject matter of the course later in life. The purpose of these courses is not to transfer knowledge to you, as in so many facts or even so many tools, because all of that in available for free or nearly so, from the internet or in old-fashioned books. With a few exceptions (e.g., accounting, nursing, engineering, elementary school teacher), the purpose of an undergraduate education is for you to develop your ability to think for yourself. Hence, “liberal education,” as in being a free person, able to decide for yourself.

As for what an undergraduate course in statistics should involve, it should enable you to deal with the mass of data that comes like a flood from the real world. To discern tendencies from oddities, to deal with phenomena having multiple causes, and with relationships in which both X and Y are causes and effects of each other.

The reason you have to solve some problems in a statistics course is not so you can save money not having to buy a computer. It’s to demonstrate you have grasped the material being covered. It could be that you really understand the meanings of central tendency and dispersion; but, if you are unable to demonstrate that understanding, I don’t know what an educational institution can attest to your understanding. Ideally, in a program of study, you (a) learn to master the standard tools of analysis of particular disciplines, (b) learn to apply those tools of analysis to relatively simple real-world situations, and (c) learn to integrate knowledge from multiple disciplines in relatively complex real-world situations.

I am sorry that you had an asshole for an instructor. Many colleges and universities are headed by people from the humanities who themselves are oblivious to complex phenomena such as we who are in social sciences, medicine, business and other such disciplines deal with. These administrators think statistics can be reduced to so many formulae, and can be taught by foreign graduate students who have difficulty speaking English, when all “gen ed” courses should be taught by faculty who have deep knowledge of their discipline.


34 posted on 02/02/2013 9:54:28 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Wordkraft; Redmen4ever
A drunken professor is truly a horror story. Funny thing is that the statistics and methods courses I took as an undergrad and in grad school probably were the best part of my college education. Skills that I use regularly.

The college president of our little school said only one thing that I remember over 35 years later. Paraphrasing him, "The value of a liberal arts education comes from being able to recognize bullshit when you read it or hear it."

He phrased it more artfully, but it made an impression on me and turned out to be true. Even courses that don't seem important, if well taught, help develop the critical thinking and evaluative skills that prove valuable later.

42 posted on 02/02/2013 10:46:27 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Wordkraft
Hypocrite lecteur, mon semblable, mon frère,
Well aren't you and your classmates just Little Goodie Two Shoes!

In my day, professorial alcoholism was a given. In your case, in vino veritas. Instead of getting the poor bastard fired for telling you the truth, you young jackanapes should have gone to the dean and told him that the course was academically worthless and demanded your money back without involving the dipso Professor.

Why not start attending MADD meetings?

47 posted on 02/02/2013 11:18:41 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Absolution Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = no-fault Marxism.)
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