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To: Kaslin; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; Voter#537; ...

Great find, Kaslin! Thanks for posting!

OKEYDOKEY FairTaxers, here is your chance to promote the FairTax.

Have at it!

My contribution: The Flat tax is still an income tax, and it does not rid the USA of the evil Internal Revenue Code or the Internal Revenue Service. People with guns will still take your earnings under cover of “The Law.”

Why don’t we replace the income tax with a National Retail Sales Tax, abolish the IRS and restore FReedom to the American people?

Fellow FReepers, the issue is FReedom, and there can be no FReedom in the USA so long as we have an income tax and an IRS!

For more information about the FairTax and to find out how you can help us, go to http://www.fairtax.org.


17 posted on 01/31/2013 7:27:49 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

What do you have to say in response to the hostility of the previous post to the “prebate”?

I think it’s from lack of understanding, and you can’t argue with that.

It made a lot of sense to me, as explained by the fairtax book.


18 posted on 01/31/2013 7:34:54 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Taxman
My contribution: The Flat tax is still an income tax, and it does not rid the USA of the evil Internal Revenue Code or the Internal Revenue Service. People with guns will still take your earnings under cover of “The Law.”

Income tax is not the most evil tax we have: the property tax is -- for with the property tax there is no way that you can own your own land and protest [by not paying] government expenditures -- all other taxes are avoidable if you are self-sufficient.

Second, it must be acknowledge that the evil portion of the current income tax can differentiated from an income tax -- to wit: it is possible for an income tax to exist without withholdings. Withholdings are, in actuality, the most evil of the current income tax system for they are either theft or mandatory fraud; if the withholding occurs when the money is still yours, then it is theft (breaking into your effects and taking your monies before you have a chance to clam it), if the witholding occurs while the money is the employer's then it is fraud (because the employer is not paying you the full agreed-upon wage).

Many of the abuses of the IRS are not because of the income tax, per se, but are of our own justice-system. Under logical legal thinking income tax-codes are currently illegitimate and unlawful: it has been long established that Ex Post Facto laws are those which (a) make illegal some action which was legal in the past [and is then prosecuted] or (b) increases the punishments for some law, again, retroactively; theses prohibitions are held to absolutely apply to criminal law, of which ostensibly the violation of the tax-code is. The problem that comes into play is when we realize that the income-tax laws have been changed retroactively (read: in an Ex Post Facto manner), this should then, by all rights, preclude tax-law from being a criminal matter as such laws are indeed prohibited. This means that they could be pursued under civil claims, but not criminal-court -- and the 7th amendment would apply: that all controversies exceeding $20 have the right to jury-trial.

But the above is not the case -- the IRS uses criminal law to pursue, under color of law, the violations of the tax-code.

26 posted on 01/31/2013 8:15:32 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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