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Do penalties for smokers and the obese make sense?
Record Online ^ | Jan 26, 2013 | Mike Stobbe

Posted on 01/26/2013 12:59:43 PM PST by Vince Ferrer

NEW YORK (AP) -- Faced with the high cost of caring for smokers and overeaters, experts say society must grapple with a blunt question: Instead of trying to penalize them and change their ways, why not just let these health sinners die?

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; bullystate; foodpolice; nannystate; obamacare; obesity; pufflist; scam
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To: Vince Ferrer

It does make sense ... but only if it also makes sense to penalize:

Alcohol drinkers

Drug users

People who engage in risky sex practices

Thrillseekers and extreme sports enthusiasts

People who travel to foreign countries rife with diseases eradicated in the West

Reckless drivers

Motorcycle drivers and cyclists who don’t wear helmets

Etc.

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But you know it will only be smokers and overweigh people.


21 posted on 01/26/2013 1:35:30 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: numberonepal

Let me qualify “any fruit” to mean fresh or cooked, and if canned then in juice or water with any juice excluded (it can be made part of the miscellaneous allowance)... but the dried stuff is too concentrated to work. The water content of the fruit matters greatly in the fruit equation.


22 posted on 01/26/2013 1:38:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Lorianne

The nannies will probably look for more. Their hunger for power never gets sated.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 1:41:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Taking care of them shouldn’t be forced on me.

Likewise, I should not force healthier living on them.

If only we had a free country, this would be a non-issue.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 1:41:59 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Government needs to treat people the same. Insurance companies and employers don’t have to, because it affects them. I think leftists and illegals and such should be penalized too, they really hurt this country. :p


25 posted on 01/26/2013 1:42:29 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: marstegreg

Or, would Michael Moore willingly pay a fat-tax? I don’t care if he is a zillionaire who can purchase all the concierge care he likes and probably will, he’s now a burden on Obamacare!!


26 posted on 01/26/2013 1:43:04 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: SampleMan

Indeed... it used to be some commonly agreed idea of what God wanted was enough to keep low level misbehavior in check. For example, if you got extraordinarily too fat you’d likely be looked at as a glutton, even though there was not a single law banning gluttony.


27 posted on 01/26/2013 1:45:24 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Vince Ferrer

What about active Homosexuals. They are by far the most susceptible to several types of expensive diseases, not to mention massive psychological problems.

Shouldn’t we just allow the unhealthy sodomites die?


28 posted on 01/26/2013 1:51:50 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

If homos can be audacious why can’t fatties be audacious too? Pro-choice in corpulence! It’s the only way to go!


29 posted on 01/26/2013 1:55:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Vince Ferrer

The obese may be among the few survivors of the coming progressive famines.


30 posted on 01/26/2013 2:03:57 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: Vince Ferrer

This was predicted in the sixties before medicare was passed. The’ll use this to bully people and deny them healthcare but all the while they will still be denying healthcare to some because they are older and the real reason is that controlling all healthcare they can get to work on their social security problem. With all the advancements made in healthcare we are now about to see a decrease in our lifespan.


31 posted on 01/26/2013 2:06:16 PM PST by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones)
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To: Vince Ferrer

If it’s a sum of money mandated by government...Federal,state of local,,,it’s a *tax*,damn it!


32 posted on 01/26/2013 2:07:20 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" like chimps toss their feces.)
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To: DesertRhino

Of course not, that would not only be discrimination but would cause hurt feelings.


33 posted on 01/26/2013 2:10:19 PM PST by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Given the fact that alcoholics and meth addicts are coddled as having a disability, punishing the obese and nicotine addicts makes absolutely no sense at all. The liberal mind is really capable of embracing diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive notions at the same time. People are either accountable for a weakness in their character or they’re not. Picking and choosing isn’t fair.


34 posted on 01/26/2013 2:11:11 PM PST by Spok
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To: Vince Ferrer

Susan B. Anthony’s father was in the insurance racket.


35 posted on 01/26/2013 2:20:38 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Spok
People are either accountable for a weakness in their character or they’re not. Picking and choosing isn’t fair.

But that is the premise of socialism.....favoring party members in good standing while punishing those who are not in good standing.

All these decisions about winners and losers comes down to who will provide a base of power for the elite. If it seems unfair, you can do nothing about it because you have no power.

36 posted on 01/26/2013 2:41:17 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Do penalties for smokers and the obese make cents?


37 posted on 01/26/2013 2:45:31 PM PST by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: Vince Ferrer

People better watch out about which groups they impose penatlies and taxes on or they might find themselves in the next such group.


38 posted on 01/26/2013 2:48:33 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Like Randy Newmann said,
Fat people got no reason to live


39 posted on 01/26/2013 2:53:44 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: OKRA2012

“These private insurance companies have the data to back up their position that smokers carry a higher health risk which costs more.”

Let’s include data that shows that leftists are also a health risk to people. Leftists inflicted democide on the world in the 20th century that murdered 100 million people. Those same leftists have murdered 50 million babies in the US. Let’s start a leftist control program that eliminates the democrat party.


40 posted on 01/26/2013 2:54:47 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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