Posted on 01/25/2013 8:05:16 AM PST by The_Freemason
I used to like Libertarians years ago, but the LP split with Ron Paul taking the constitutionalists into the GOP and left the LP with the anything goes crazies. The LP is worthless these days.
CC
Brother, do not presume to know what is in my heart. Just because I embrace freedom does not mean I have disdain for belief in the GAOTU. I and I believe my founding brothers abhorred blind obedience and following. So many people have become willfully blind to the lack of courage of the GOP that it scares me.
BTW. this website might be in support of traditional marriage but do they also value freedom of thought?
yep
Brother, you started it.
I embrace freedom as well. I endorse it on God's terms, however, which are quite explicit in what I must do. Though you are quite correct to note that today's Republican Party has left the majority of conservatives in its Democrat-loving wake.
“It never occurs to them to get out of the swamp.”
There is no getting out of the swamp, it’s all swamp.
” If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.”.....Ronald Reagan Reason magazine 1975.
What a nutcase(by FR’s definition)
I guess the alligator is in the eye of the beholder.
Let me ask you a couple questions:
When was the last time total federal spending actually went down under Republican control?
How many new federal departments and agencies were formed under Republican control?
The “Alex Jones Libertarians” are the bulk of the party and generally have been a good description of all their Presidential nominees with the possible exception of Barr (who most Libertarians had a hissy fit over). Hell, Hospers could be consider the intellectual grandfather of Jones types. You complain about the RINO Bush type poisoning the Republican well but Hospers and Roots and Ron Pauls and Johnsons have done more to poison the Libertarian well than the RINOs have done to poison the Republican well (as evidence by actual electoral accomplishments.)
The task:
Convince good conservatives to run.
Elect them in the primaries.
The elect them in the general election.
To achieve this, short-sighted americans MUST be convinced of the merits. This task, to convince Americans to vote for conservatives, is not made easier by leaving the GOP.
I think most of us understand the problems with the GOP, and are working to change it. We have had major setbacks in the past 12 months....between the presidential primary, redistricting and leadership flexing their muscles, we have lost ground. For most it is very up in the air whether the GOP can be the vessel to advance our ideas. I think we know the LP is not the vessel because it has never gotten any real portion of the vote.
I’d say there is at least a 25% chance we’ll see a serious third party start to form if the GOP continues to be adrift over the next couple years. That may or may not be a good thing, because in the short-term i probably means major losses on the national level. Right now we have to realistically choose from the best of many bad options.
I looked at the libertarians, as well, but I came away feeling like it was a party of license, not true freedom. There is a difference. We conservatives do not want to monitor what people eat, or do in their bedrooms. IF you believe that, then you believe what the democrats say about us, not what we actually believe. As for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush did get approval from Congress before going in and before the democrats later decided it was not okay to do so.
As a conservative, I have some serious issues with the beliefs of libertarians. I was once a constant reader of a couple online libertarian sites, and read them almost exclusively for about 3 years, but my Christian faith led me to realize that much of what I was reading had serious conflicts with my faith. I left those sites after much conflict in my soul, trying to reconcile what I truly believed real faith is and what they espoused on those sites. I could support a libertarian over a democrat, yes. But their stands abortion and some other moral issues cause me to have second thoughts about joining the organization. As a true believer, we are to make every effort to keep our society moral. Not just through legislation, but through example and in our training up of our children. What I see with libertarians is that they believe there should be no moral issues in the public conversation. That is not our founding fathers’ beliefs, nor is it mine.
I believe out task is bigger than that. We need to get back to changing America. Right now America is Honey Boo Boo and politicians are Santa delivering plates of Spaghetti and butter.
We need to start changing America house by house, neighborhood by neighborhood, school by school, city by city. We can’t keep waiting on the next “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” guy.
One could make a case that this task would be equally difficult if conservatives ran as Democrats or Republicans. Either way, the entire party infrastructure is in opposition to our goals.
Wait until you see what happens to Sen. Rand Paul during the next Presidential Primary if you don't believe me.
Talking to yourself is a sign of impending mental collapse.
By the tenor of the replies here, Sen. Paul is his fathers son and thus the apple isn’t far from the tree, therefore he has no chance.
As a true believer, we are to make every effort to keep our society moral. Not just through legislation, but through example and in our training up of our children.
This statement scares the hell out of me.... here is why..
The left wants to impose their version of morality on us through legislation, and has done so for decades..
Now, you want to impose your version of morality on us through legislation, just like the libs...
I fully agree with you that leading by example in training our children is indeed the way to go. Making a particular practice or behavior socially unacceptable is the way to go.
But, regulating morality through legislation is like lighting the fuse on a time bomb..
For both you and I, we have our moral standards, and they will not be compromised...
However, putting the power to regulate morality into the hands of a politician can be deadly. In the hands of a politician, and the hands of the feds, morality is subjective. It is subjective to whoever is in power at the time. Dangerous concept.
The framers understood this, as every dictatorship starts out by regulating morality.
That is why this constitution is for a moral people, and will serve no other.
Morals are to be left to the individual, the family and the community at large. Not to the federal government.
“yep”
So you are admitting on a conservative web forum that you promote homosexual marriage and legalizing drugs?
And in post 43 you claim that such is “embracing” freedom?
Answer me this question: What group that identifies itself with its sexual orientation annually holds a ‘fair’ where they engage in public sex acts, and is this behavior something you are okay with?
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