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To: vette6387; ansel12
whose religion trumps everything else.

Um, you mean like those early pilgrims who came here and settled this country? Religious freedom is mentioned first in the Bill of Rights for a reason. Not trying to intrude on your conversation with ansell2, but that sort of comment is hard to pass up. Yes, you can have many different religions producing conservative values, and you can even have atheists who are prolife and pro-free markets, pro-gun, etc etc.

But it's like ansell said. The founders, being steeped in centuries of advanced Christian thought, engineered the best anti-tyranny machine in the history of the human race. If you want to win the fight we are in now, you need the clarity of vision that comes with that model of liberty. Christ came to set us free. Yes, spiritually first of all, but ultimately in every way that is good.

BTW, I do not regard anyone who has aspirations of deity to be a good choice of leader. We may be in a fight with Obama for some years to come, but at least we didn't pick a fight with God just to get rid of Obama. That would really be a losing proposition.

I just wish so many people had not been fooled by the mindless mantra of his much vaunted but unproven electability. And of course there was fraud, so he may have actually won and all this angst against Christian dissenters may be pointless. I don't think there were really that many of us to make a difference. I was shocked at the outcome.

84 posted on 01/22/2013 10:19:04 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer; vette6387; ansel12
whose religion trumps everything else.

Um, you mean like those early pilgrims who came here and settled this country? But it's like ansell said. The founders, being steeped in centuries of advanced Christian thought, engineered the best anti-tyranny machine in the history of the human race.

I'd bet a cup of coffee, the Indians who were here before your pilgrims would totally disagree with your comment.

94 posted on 01/22/2013 10:53:23 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Your kind of conservative post will only bring out the worst in some of the Californians.

A thread like this shows that even if they had it to do over again, they would choose the same path they took before, and still destroy their state.

Social liberalism kills again.


97 posted on 01/22/2013 11:02:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Springfield Reformer

“BTW, I do not regard anyone who has aspirations of deity to be a good choice of leader. We may be in a fight with Obama for some years to come, but at least we didn’t pick a fight with God just to get rid of Obama. That would really be a losing proposition.

Now I understand where you are coming from. you hate Mormons for their beliefs in “eternal progression.”


99 posted on 01/23/2013 8:45:03 AM PST by vette6387
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