Posted on 01/19/2013 3:23:13 PM PST by blam
You were talking about scavenging supplies in the city after TEOTWAWKI and I was merely point out the dangers of actually being in the city, i.e., gangs of thugs.
I figure in a societal collapse, the main highways will be barricaded by armed gangs. Getting through those will be impossible unless you have an armed gang of your own and some excellent tactics to flank and destroy them. Wouldn't count on that happening, honestly.
Oh, I knew what you meant, but I’m pretty sure that this question of fleeing the home or staying in it, is primarily based on the problem of security and raiders in the places where most of us live.
I know that I thought that this was a discussion based on the common assumption of greater security risks of staying in place, or city versus rural, or whatever form it takes.
I want to do whatever puts the most distance between me and any "authorities" that may hamper my ability to defend myself and my family and I want to get away from the "urbanites" who, once they realize food doesn't really magically appear in a grocery store, may come looking for MY supplies.
I think the reality is, in most settings where one isn't 80 - 100 acres or more away from their neighbors, most homes are in fact, indefensible. Large patio doors/glass entryways mean it's relatively easy for anyone to brute-force enter any home.
Unless one lives in a cement bunker with one small window and one defensible door (one way in/out) I think most homes are indefensible.
“Well, if that’s the case...may as well pack it all in.”
If what’s the case, Marie? What part of the posting are you referring to?
Rthe feral gangs won’t last long. I suspect that there are more guns in the gun free cities than you think.
We have talked about this. Bugging out will only happen in the most dire of circumstances. Mostly because we don’t really have anywhere to go.
We have made our home here. This is where we will stay unless our entire town is somehow wiped off the map. Anyone attempting to dislodge us will find that to be a very, very expensive proposition.
"I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter." - Gabby Johnson
I'm like Gabby in that I'm not interested in leaving.
We all die eventually. I expect I'll die here on this land I was born on.
/johnny
Lucky man, to still own the land you were born on. Wish I could say the same. Decisions were made for me, long before I was of age. Now that spot of dirt is hopelessly expensive.
I miss it terribly.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/illinois-man-2-sons-die-in-cold-rain-after-becoming-lost-on-ozarks-hiking-trail-in-missouri/2013/01/14/7b979fe2-5e69-11e2-8acb-ab5cb77e95c8_singlePage.html?tid=obinsite ~ cities can be much better than the wilderness.
One advantage to it, is that I know everyone, and every dog, and every rock and tree and fence in the area. I was running around the neighborhood as a barefoot 4 year old.
Only time it really ever hits me, though is when the tiller turns up a die-cast toy that I lost about 45 years ago. Then I get a little misty eyed.
/johnny
Problem with a machinegun is toting around all that ammo ~ it's OK if you have a regular source of supply but on a permanent basis it's just not a good idea.
However, those same guys have more than enough superior firepower in single shot and semi-automatic weapons light enough for an average adult to use.
More than enough, and they'd appreciate the company ~ when you're in a foreign country and the SFI you really need a friend who knows the lay of the land and doesn't have a foreign accent.
It depends on the motivation levels among feral gangs. My guess is they will be trying to avoid casualties. They may rush a home, but if any of them get shot, why would they not seek easier prey? You may see it in a movie, where a gang of twenty attacks the hero's family and keeps coming after ten are dead, but my guess is that won't happen. Have you ever watched a predator attack prey that fought back? I have (recently), and it's amazing how even the risk of injury will keep a larger, stronger predator at bay.
The Walter Mittys continue to talk about their plans to come to my area on the Rockies in the event of a disaster. They rehearse their plans on vacant lots around here only during the warmer times of year, have their drunken/stoned parties and fire lots of rounds in random directions. Well, one did finally try to stay a few weeks into the late fall with his motor home but headed back down to the city before freezing to death.
We had a long string of nights with lows between -20 and -36 F this winter. Some nights, wind gusts topped 100 mph (usual in winter) though not as many windy nights as usual. There’s a perpetual fire ban, as we enter our likely second year of extreme drought (drought forecast through April so far). No campfires, no recreational firing of firearms, etc. Rivers are down, and creeks are going dry. Wells will likely be going dry.
The suburbs would be safer—even during riots.
That's my experience watching wildlife. Let the butt of a pistol show and everyone remembers appointments they are late for.
/johnny
Nothing like winter to catch your attention.
I have long hair. It has to be washed once a week, minimum. When I was doing the mountain man thing, with temps below zero, heating water so I could stand outside on a pallet to wash my hair was a fairly quick exersize.
Rough life sucks. I like my convienences. I think I'll keep them.
/johnny
I diagree 100%. The government will take your stuff for re-distribution, everyone will die EQUALLY...you're silly to think otherwise, IMO.(You must be prepared to fight the re-distributers and the moochers too.)
I did hurry on washing the hair though. I do like indoor plumbing, now that I'm back in civilization.
I've got recipes for yak, if you need them, including a nice yak cheese, if you decide to milk them.
Ever consider moving south?
/johnny
Shut up. Get up; dust yourself off, take it a minute at a time. - You’re NOT dead, your son is NOT dead, your mother’s NOT dead - in fact, she may have more practical survival knowledge than you give her credit for. So may you, as well. Take this as an opportunity for a second chance to teach your son lots of important stuff.
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