Political Insiders: Republicans Divided on How to Address Gay Marriage [retread troll zot]

National Journal ^ | January 10, 2013 | Alex Roarty, Naureen Khan and Peter Bell

[Brightitude]

DEMOCRATS (109 VOTES)
My party should support it: 97%
My party should oppose it: 0%
My party should avoid the issue: 2%
Other: 1%

"Marriage equality is a vote-getter for Democrats and a vote-loser for the party of the last century, the Republicans."

"More and more states are adopting marriage equality, and it is time for the U.S.A. to lead on this issue."

"No issue has changed more dramatically than support for gay marriage over the last 10 years. In 20 years, it won't even be an issue."

"It's a nonissue. Americans support the concept. Let's move on!"...

REPUBLICANS (99 VOTES)
My party should support it: 27%
My party should oppose it: 11%
My party should avoid the issue: 48%
Other: 14%

"Wouldn't it be fascinating if, for once, the Republicans were on the front side of a historic wave, rather than thrashed around in the undertow?"

"There is a conservative case in favor of gay marriage that can easily be made around the issues of smaller government and lower taxes."

"We can't be a party that supports a zone of personal freedom and then try to use federal power to curtail it. Plus, we increasingly look prejudiced, and not a little stupid, on this issue."...

[Mrs. Don-o]

"The GOP is going to need to maneuver quickly to get ahead of the shifting cultural currents on this issue."

Brightitude, I have a typo problem too, so I understand the embarrassment this can cause. For instance, you inadvertently hit "ft" instead of "tt" in the above quote [emphasis added].

But I think I understood what you meant.

[Darksheare]

You mean I missed a chance at him earlier in the week while I was sick?
*oh boy*

That’ll learn me.

[Darksheare]

“And he expired noisily due to a toothpick to the heel!”

[Old Sarge]

[Arrowhead1952]

FR has issues again, so I won’t do anything to take up more bandwidth for now. Got to go cook steaks anyway.

[darkwing104]

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[ConorMacNessa]

Happy to pile on after the ZOT!

Traditional (i.e. one man with one woman) Matrimony is the lynchpin of Western Civilization. It's Sacramental in my religion. I've already left the Republican Party because they are not reliably on board with this. American society abandons this tenet at its imminent peril.



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[little jeremiah]

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I don't know if the zotted one is an R operatove or a homo agenda operative (do I repeat myself??) but the answer is given numerous times on the thread. NO - a thousand times NO - to Sodom and Gomorrah. No way. If the R party elites want to shove our faces in it, vast numbers of us will not vote R ever again. It is a losing issue in every single way.

[little jeremiah]

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I don't know if the zotted one is an R operatove or a homo agenda operative (do I repeat myself??) but the answer is given numerous times on the thread. NO - a thousand times NO - to Sodom and Gomorrah. No way. If the R party elites want to shove our faces in it, vast numbers of us will not vote R ever again. It is a losing issue in every single way.

[Gene Eric]

Homosexual “marriage” law is about persecuting those that refuse to service homosexual behavior.

[darrellmaurina]

12 posted on 1/17/2013 12:56:10 PM by sanjuanbob: “I think it should be incorporated into Obama’s gun law, and considered a mental deficiency, thus not allowing them to purchase firearms of any kind. It should also be published in all newspapers where “married” homosexuals live for the safety of children who may live nearby.”

You may have hit on something here.

Marriage licenses are public documents. They have to be public for very good reasons.

Maybe someone in New York should get a copy of every marriage license taken out by homosexual couples and publish their addresses on the internet.

I wonder how quickly that would cause liberals to start agreeing that gun owners have good reasons to be upset with the New York newspaper that printed the addresses of gun permit applicants?

[massmike]

THIS is how the pro-gay strategy worked out for the GOP in Massachusetts:

April 8, 2009
New Mass. Republican Party Chairman says party will no longer oppose same-sex “marriage”, abortion, other “social issues”
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/nassour/index.html

April 21, 2010
Mass GOP convention nominates most extreme pro-gay Governor & Lt. Governor candidates in history
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10b/gop_convention/index.html

May 12, 2010
Mass. GOP Lt. Governor candidate Tisei gives interview to homosexual magazine — pushing gay agenda
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/tisei_spirit_mag/index.html

June 17, 2010
GOP Candidate for Governor Charlie Baker marches with hateful anti-family homosexual activist leaders in Gay Pride parade
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10c/pride_week/baker.html

June 25, 2010
Republican State Sen. Richard Ross (Scott Brown’s replacement in the Mass. Senate) marches in Boston Gay Pride Parade
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10c/pride_week/ross.html

Aug 4, 2010
Charlie Baker & Richard Tisei: a pro-family nightmare
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/baker_tisei/index.html

Nov 4, 2010
Mass. Republicans lose ALL statewide & Congressional races
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/general/results_statewide.html

Nov 5, 2010
Mass. Republican Party’s RINO strategy a big part of election losses in top state races
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/gop_strategy/index.html

Dec 12, 2010
Scott Brown announces full support for repeal of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10d/brown_dadt/index.html

Dec 31, 2010
Sen. Scott Brown invites hardcore Mass. homosexual activist to “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” repeal signing ceremony in D.C.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10d/brown_dadt/lang.html

Nov.7th,2012
Elizabeth Warren beats Scott Brown in Massachusetts Senate race
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/11/06/polls-close-mass-suspense-builds-race-for-senate/sBRjd1kjA1q5fiiQRA2xcL/story.html

And don’t forget people that have gotten fired or harassed because they didn’t sufficiently celebrate that “diverse” lifestyle choice......

Massachusetts man fired from corporation over Christian belief in traditional marriage
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09d/vadala/index.html

University of Toledo official’s firing over anti-gay opinion piece upheld by appeals court
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2012/12/19/university-of-toledo-officials-firing.html

American Red Cross Fires Employee for Refusal to Celebrate “Gay and Lesbian Pride Month”
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2005/aug/05080502

A professor was fired from San Jose Evergreen Community College after being accused of providing an “offensive” answer out of the textbook to a student’s question about heredity and homosexual behavior.She had essentially asked if people were “born gay”,and the teacher truthfully answered that no one really knows.... but THAT was an un-PC answer.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/19/academic-freedom-at-san-joseev/

With last week’s stunning revelations that the entire faculty of a Midwestern university campus voted without dissent to investigate a Christian librarian for “sexual harassment” simply because he recommended the bestselling book “The Marketing of Evil,” many are asking why not a single faculty member stood up for the librarian.

The question is especially compelling in light of the decision reported Wednesday that the entire faculty had essentially overstepped their own written policies and had wrongly accused the librarian.

The lock-step faculty support for the two openly homosexual professors who led the charge against the librarian might have something to do with the fact that freshmen at the small Mansfield campus of Ohio State University are required, during their first quarter, to undergo what the university calls a “diversity seminar.”
http://www.restoringamerica.org/nutty_professor.htm

Hewlett-Packard fired a Christian employee for posting near his cubicle a sign with Bible verses relating to the prohibition of men lying with men. This was in response to a celebrate-sexual-diversity poster put up by the company.Hewlett-Packard does not celebrate diversity of opinion.

http://www.afajournal.org/2004/march/304religious_freedom.asp

A systems engineer and devout Christian employee of a leading aerospace and defense company is suing the company for firing him after he refused to participate in a diversity training program because it required him to accept, celebrate and embrace homosexuality.

http://www.womenofgrace.com/blog/?p=2403

An employee at Eastman Kodak
was summarily fired for voicing objection to pro homosexual memos being sent over company
email.
http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF06J60.pdf

A long-time volunteer fireman in North Truro,
Mass., was dismissed from his position on the
Board of Fire Engineers after signing a petition in
favor of putting a traditional marriage amendment
on the ballot in Massachusetts.
http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF06J60.pdf

[verga]

Probably prudent for the party to avoid the issue until they can find a face-saving way of getting in line with current public opinion.

Would this be the same shifting public opinion that rejected homosexual marriage by the citizens of Californication, or the one that legalized the use of Marijuana in several states?

Instead how about if we are the party that informs and educates the public about the real dangers of aberrant behavior?

[Arrowhead1952]

REPUBLICANS (99 VOTES)
My party should support it: 27%
My party should oppose it: 11%
My party should avoid the issue: 48%
Other: 14%

The 11% should be at least 98%.

[Tax-chick]

Glad you’re feeling better, Darks.

I think I crossed paths with this troll in a previous iteration, when he was claiming that the GOP had to attract voters who claim no religious affiliation. I asked him what issues these voters considered decisive, other than abortion and homosexuality, and he responded with information about how popular abortion and homosexuality were.

[manc]

these feces pushers still can;t get it intot their head, they’re like little babaies throwing their little hissy fits because they know deep down that most do not go with their special rights and their sick perverted agenda

[manc]

so pushing feces into a mans body makes you think we shoudl agree with that and then you come on here and try to tell us in no uncertain terms we have to agree with that tells us that you have some serious mental issues to resolve.

I suggest you think for feces, where the prostate is where the colon is and then ask your self if that kind of feces poking is healthy and natural as well as clean.

[manc]

that is the word

feces.

these people would have us beleive that they are just happy go lucky gay[meaning happy] folks who love each other, what is not mentioned is their feces attraction, them pushing feces further into a mans body, poking the prostate and colon and bringing about diseases plus for many of them public bathrooms, dog parks all seem to be places where they can;t help themselves to have that turn on for feces.

Because of their love for feces they then expect people to go along with their agenda and let them play happy families, well not for me not now not ever

[Bikkuri]

NO - a thousand times NO - to Sodom and Gomorrah. No way. If the R party elites want to shove our faces in it, vast numbers of us will not vote R ever again.

Needs to repeated often.. Might have to stuff a cork in one of their ears so that the info doesn't go in one and out the other.. (or would that be eyes in this case o.O) ;)